Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers

coolcanman · 01-16-2020, 10:51 PM

Just a little trivia phil monteith was one of the first racers to deep stage back in the sixties early 70's in his 69 ra4 firebird

coolcanman · 01-16-2020, 11:00 PM

Phil's 1st car was a new 63 4cyl tempest followed by a 65 gto tripower automatic convertible

oldskool · 01-16-2020, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by coolcanman

Phil's 1st car was a new 63 4cyl tempest followed by a 65 gto tripower automatic convertible

Yeah, I remember the 1st one of those 4-cyl engines I saw. Some refer to 'em as half of a 389. A friend had bought one, that had been raced in a dragster, at our local track. IIRC, it had an SD455 head, pistons with HUGE domes, a roller cam, and Carrillo rods. Stored it in my shop for years. My friend never used it. But, it was a good conversation piece.

I think I read that Nunzi has a '63 Tempest, with one of those in it, which has run 11.70. Engine supposedly has all factory parts. Here's a short article about Nunzi. I have no idea if any of the stuff mentioned is true, or not. Maybe others here know.

http://www.nunzipontiac.com/about.html

http://www.nunzipontiac.com/videos.html

oldskool · 01-16-2020, 11:16 PM

2009

At the Cajun Sports Nats, John & J.B. Clegg got their '74 Bird running a bit better. It was #33 @ - 1.067.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

At Fontana, Ryan Schloe was #24 @ -.852. The reason I mention this is because I have him listed driving an early 2nd gen in Stock, in other years. And, we all know that some guys/families switch their cars from Stock to SS. And, some use the same car, but put on different body parts, so it'll pass as a different year model. Then, most Pontiacs get passed around from one Pontiac racer to the next.

With all this in mind, who knows the story on this particular Bird, which is listed as a SS/IA '71 Formula. It's running quicker than his Stocker. So, is it the same body he was running ? Did he switch over to the 455HO engine ?

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

I'll just take time here to ask about SS tires & suspension. We all know that there are currently lots of Stockers running quicker than 10.00, with legal 9" tires. So, obviously, many SS cars that run slower than 10.00, can get by with 9" tires. And, if they're the GM leaf spring F-body cars, they can get by with the CalTrac bars, rather than going to narrowed rears, tubs, big tires, & some sort of ladder bar or 4-link set-up.

But, I still see some 10 sec SS Pontiacs running big tires. Since the low 10 sec Stockers hook up enuff to do huge wheelies, and some need wheelie bars on the back, why do guys still feel the need to run huge tires ? Wouldn't the cars actually run slightly quicker, using the 9" tires ? Sorry for the dummy question. But hey, if you don't know something, you just don't know.

At the Midwest Nats, Bill Rink was #12 @ - 1.010. I suppose Bill has the quickest '74 GTO straight SS car ever, by far. I think he has posted that he switched the car over from Stock, because NHRA had added so much hp to it.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

At the Thunder Valley Nats, Johnny Duncan & Peter Biondo are near the bottom of the list. I assume the 2000 Bird Peter was driving is the Hatari car, with a 428 engine. Does anybody know when the Hatari was switched over from the 400, to the 428 ? Has it ever had a 455 in it ?

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

At the Summer Nats, Carroll Warling was #3 @ - 1.163. Billy Ingels was #40.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

At the Route 66 Nats, Bill Rink was #19 @ - 1.068.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

At Englishtown, Sal P. was #19 @ -.949.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

At the Mile-High Nats, Carroll Warling was #3 @ - 1.347, with his '74 GA. Not only was this car a nat record holder, I suppose it was one of the quickest Pontiacs ever, against it's index. Don't know what a list of the top 10 or 20 Pontiacs would look like, if listed by the numbers they ran, in competition, against their index. I suppose there were a few which did, or at least COULD have run more than 1.5 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

At the Toyo Nats, Vic Santos was #33 @ -.883. Sal P. was #37 @ -.867.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

At the Fall Nats, J.B. Clegg was #35 @ -.895.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

At the Northern Sports Nats, Bill Rink was #30 @ - 1.064. Bill Eadelis was #89. There ain't very many SS GTO's left.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

At the Pomona Finals, Ryan Schloe was #47 @ -.740. Joel Larkin was next, at #48 @ -.733. Art Peterson was also on the list, with his '69 GTO. As far as I know, it is the only '69 GTO I know of that has been in active competition, in recent years. I know of a couple of '68's that ran Stock.

Hey, back in the day, there were lot's of '69's in action, especially Judge models. But, it's all just part of Pontiac history, now.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

coolcanman · 01-17-2020, 12:43 AM

Hatari won all world championships with 400. Steel headed 428 2009

oldskool · 01-17-2020, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by coolcanman

Hatari won all world championships with 400. Steel headed 428 2009

Hey, that's great info ! Thanks !

I thought all the 428 guys were using the NHRA legal alum E-heads. I know that Norman posted that Carroll is building an iron head 428.

oldskool · 01-17-2020, 02:08 AM

Well ya'll, I'll have to tell on myself now. I don't know if I can blame old age, or just lack of computer skills.

But, I was almost thru with 2010 race results, when I had to take a break. So, I THOUGHT I hit minimize. But, when I came back, to continue, that tab was gone. I suppose I accidentally hit the X, instead of the minimize. Anybody else ever do that ?

Anyhow, because of this, from now on, I'll post a very small amount, then edit and add a little more, and so on, til the post is complete. So, when ya'll see a very short post, with only a very few results, just know that the post is not complete, and I'll be adding more to it.

2010

At the Winter Nats, looks like Art Peterson had the only Pontiac powered car on the SS list. It's the only '69 GTO I know of that has been in either Stock or SS competition, this century. If ya'll know of others, please post that info. Back in the day, there were lots of '69 GTO's in competition, especially Judge models, sponsored by Pontiac dealers.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

Looks like Joel Larkin had the only Pontiac on the SS list at the AZ Nats. I can remember lots of races we entered where we had the only Pontiacs. That was just part of it, for us. Just made winning a little better.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

At the Cajun Sports Nats, J.B. Clegg showed up with a stick Bird. I suppose that was the 1st year that '74 had run a stick.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

At the 4-Wide Nats, Peter was #2 @ - 1.022. Due to info just posted, I assume the engine was an iron head 428. Sal P. was #46 @ -.699.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

Sal made it to round 4, where he left a tick too quick.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

Peter made it to round 5, where he got treed.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

At the Spring Vegas race, Don Kennedy was #22 @ -.781. Joel & Ryan were on the lower half of the list. John Angeles was also on the list, driving a '69 Bird. For those who may not know, John co-wrote a couple of books on Pontiac performance & racing. His '69 RAIV Bird was said to be the 1st reg SS Pontiac 400 powered car to dip below 10-flat. His daughter, Keri, was driving on that occasion.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

Ryan made it to the semi, but cut a bad light.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

At the Midwest Nats, Greg Meyer was #7 @ -.899. Lynn McCarty was #55.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

At Fontana, Keri was #20 @ -.571. Ryan & Joel were on the list.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

At Topeka, Carroll was #16 @ -.800.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

01-16-2020, 10:51 PM	#1
coolcanman Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 34 Likes: 1 Liked 20 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers Just a little trivia phil monteith was one of the first racers to deep stage back in the sixties early 70's in his 69 ra4 firebird

01-16-2020, 11:00 PM	#2
coolcanman Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 34 Likes: 1 Liked 20 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers Phil's 1st car was a new 63 4cyl tempest followed by a 65 gto tripower automatic convertible

01-16-2020, 11:16 PM	#4
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers 2009 At the Cajun Sports Nats, John & J.B. Clegg got their '74 Bird running a bit better. It was #33 @ - 1.067. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop At Fontana, Ryan Schloe was #24 @ -.852. The reason I mention this is because I have him listed driving an early 2nd gen in Stock, in other years. And, we all know that some guys/families switch their cars from Stock to SS. And, some use the same car, but put on different body parts, so it'll pass as a different year model. Then, most Pontiacs get passed around from one Pontiac racer to the next. With all this in mind, who knows the story on this particular Bird, which is listed as a SS/IA '71 Formula. It's running quicker than his Stocker. So, is it the same body he was running ? Did he switch over to the 455HO engine ? https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop I'll just take time here to ask about SS tires & suspension. We all know that there are currently lots of Stockers running quicker than 10.00, with legal 9" tires. So, obviously, many SS cars that run slower than 10.00, can get by with 9" tires. And, if they're the GM leaf spring F-body cars, they can get by with the CalTrac bars, rather than going to narrowed rears, tubs, big tires, & some sort of ladder bar or 4-link set-up. But, I still see some 10 sec SS Pontiacs running big tires. Since the low 10 sec Stockers hook up enuff to do huge wheelies, and some need wheelie bars on the back, why do guys still feel the need to run huge tires ? Wouldn't the cars actually run slightly quicker, using the 9" tires ? Sorry for the dummy question. But hey, if you don't know something, you just don't know. At the Midwest Nats, Bill Rink was #12 @ - 1.010. I suppose Bill has the quickest '74 GTO straight SS car ever, by far. I think he has posted that he switched the car over from Stock, because NHRA had added so much hp to it. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop At the Thunder Valley Nats, Johnny Duncan & Peter Biondo are near the bottom of the list. I assume the 2000 Bird Peter was driving is the Hatari car, with a 428 engine. Does anybody know when the Hatari was switched over from the 400, to the 428 ? Has it ever had a 455 in it ? https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop At the Summer Nats, Carroll Warling was #3 @ - 1.163. Billy Ingels was #40. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop At the Route 66 Nats, Bill Rink was #19 @ - 1.068. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop At Englishtown, Sal P. was #19 @ -.949. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop At the Mile-High Nats, Carroll Warling was #3 @ - 1.347, with his '74 GA. Not only was this car a nat record holder, I suppose it was one of the quickest Pontiacs ever, against it's index. Don't know what a list of the top 10 or 20 Pontiacs would look like, if listed by the numbers they ran, in competition, against their index. I suppose there were a few which did, or at least COULD have run more than 1.5 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop At the Toyo Nats, Vic Santos was #33 @ -.883. Sal P. was #37 @ -.867. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop At the Fall Nats, J.B. Clegg was #35 @ -.895. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop At the Northern Sports Nats, Bill Rink was #30 @ - 1.064. Bill Eadelis was #89. There ain't very many SS GTO's left. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop At the Pomona Finals, Ryan Schloe was #47 @ -.740. Joel Larkin was next, at #48 @ -.733. Art Peterson was also on the list, with his '69 GTO. As far as I know, it is the only '69 GTO I know of that has been in active competition, in recent years. I know of a couple of '68's that ran Stock. Hey, back in the day, there were lot's of '69's in action, especially Judge models. But, it's all just part of Pontiac history, now. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 01-16-2020 at 11:46 PM.

01-17-2020, 12:43 AM	#5
coolcanman Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 34 Likes: 1 Liked 20 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers Hatari won all world championships with 400. Steel headed 428 2009 Last edited by coolcanman; 01-17-2020 at 01:14 AM.

01-17-2020, 02:08 AM	#7
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers Well ya'll, I'll have to tell on myself now. I don't know if I can blame old age, or just lack of computer skills. But, I was almost thru with 2010 race results, when I had to take a break. So, I THOUGHT I hit minimize. But, when I came back, to continue, that tab was gone. I suppose I accidentally hit the X, instead of the minimize. Anybody else ever do that ? Anyhow, because of this, from now on, I'll post a very small amount, then edit and add a little more, and so on, til the post is complete. So, when ya'll see a very short post, with only a very few results, just know that the post is not complete, and I'll be adding more to it. 2010 At the Winter Nats, looks like Art Peterson had the only Pontiac powered car on the SS list. It's the only '69 GTO I know of that has been in either Stock or SS competition, this century. If ya'll know of others, please post that info. Back in the day, there were lots of '69 GTO's in competition, especially Judge models, sponsored by Pontiac dealers. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop Looks like Joel Larkin had the only Pontiac on the SS list at the AZ Nats. I can remember lots of races we entered where we had the only Pontiacs. That was just part of it, for us. Just made winning a little better. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop At the Cajun Sports Nats, J.B. Clegg showed up with a stick Bird. I suppose that was the 1st year that '74 had run a stick. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop At the 4-Wide Nats, Peter was #2 @ - 1.022. Due to info just posted, I assume the engine was an iron head 428. Sal P. was #46 @ -.699. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop Sal made it to round 4, where he left a tick too quick. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop Peter made it to round 5, where he got treed. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop At the Spring Vegas race, Don Kennedy was #22 @ -.781. Joel & Ryan were on the lower half of the list. John Angeles was also on the list, driving a '69 Bird. For those who may not know, John co-wrote a couple of books on Pontiac performance & racing. His '69 RAIV Bird was said to be the 1st reg SS Pontiac 400 powered car to dip below 10-flat. His daughter, Keri, was driving on that occasion. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop Ryan made it to the semi, but cut a bad light. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop At the Midwest Nats, Greg Meyer was #7 @ -.899. Lynn McCarty was #55. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop At Fontana, Keri was #20 @ -.571. Ryan & Joel were on the list. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop At Topeka, Carroll was #16 @ -.800. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop Last edited by oldskool; 01-17-2020 at 03:49 AM.