1.20 under at Belle Rose - Page 7

rboyle · 03-04-2020, 08:14 AM

I think the system works. If guys want to go fast that's their decision. The weather blame is silly. We all have weather stations and data, if the weather looks crazy and the run feels real good then decide fast if you are lifting or run it out especially on a qualifying or class run. If it's heads up final at a National event and you hit the combo you'd be happy.

HR9121 · 03-04-2020, 08:46 AM

I agree Daren with 1.30. If the weather blame is silly then why have the mineshaft rule at all. I mean the mineshaft rule is in place for unusual weather conditions to start with, so do away with that and let all runs count all the time and include Indy as well. If you want the AHFS to work there should be no free passes.
You got a combo that goes 1.20 under at -800 DA and one that does it at Indy at 3500 DA, which one really needs the hp? To say the weather blame is silly is silly.

Billy Nees · 03-04-2020, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HR9121

If you want the AHFS to work there should be no free passes.

Now I can agree with you on that! A few posts back, you brought up the LT-1. Everyone was quick to "jump" on it when it was at 275 HP. Now at 358, it's not-so-good. Maybe the "problem" isn't the way that the AHFS is working but that everyone "jumped" on a good combo, beat it up for their own reasons, and waited too long to "jump" off. Your combo is/was the same, a soft combo that a bunch of smart Racers "jumped" on and now, not-so-good.
IMHO, the AHFS should be in effect for every run at every race no matter what the weather or the phase of the moon. Eighth mile numbers should be looked at too.
And just to make a good point, the Impala SS that kinda/sorta was responsible for getting your combo hit is an LT-1 that's arguably better than an F-body combo but at only 299 HP. So maybe this whole AHFS/ body factoring thing should be tightened up a bit too.

countrypuppy4865 · 03-04-2020, 10:13 AM

In the words of Kenny Rogers

"You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em"

James Perrone · 03-04-2020, 10:37 AM

So now you want 130 in a mineshaft condition.? I’ve said this before if you go 120 anywhere anytime You Need HP. Where does it stop.? NHRA took 3 tenths of everyone and moved the hp hit from. 1.15. To 1.20. How about not tuning the car up to go too fast
100 lbs of lead will save ya. Like cooter said I mean what Kenny Rodgers said
Please. For Indy put the same 1.20 hit back on and the ahfs will work. Like it should

GUMP · 03-04-2020, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by countrypuppy4865

In the words of Kenny Rogers

"You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em"

That is very true. I can tell you from personal experience that this 1.20 hit deal has caused me more grief than any other part of racing Stock Eliminator. It definitely creates hard feelings and kills friendships. You don't even have to be driving the car at the time.........

Dan Fahey · 03-04-2020, 02:48 PM

94/96 Impala SS/Caprice 350/260/299 HP LT1 uses a Vortec Iron Head.
1.94/1.50 Valves, Roller Lifters, 72cc Chamber and a F- Body cam at .447/.459 Lift.

94/96 Caprice run in J/SA at 3708 lbs, natural K car
Impala SS run K/SA at 4057 lbs
Natural L car at 4207 lbs
Weighted for M at 4356 lbs.

LT1 Aluminum Head engines are same with 58cc rated with more HP.

LT4 Aluminum Heads have 1.60/1.55 Valves with 1.6 Roller Rockers.
Seeing two cams one at .476/.479 lift and .525/.525 Lift (Hotcam)

Suspect the Hotcam LT4 is the one rated at 358 hp.
This would be the 1996 Corvette.
Aluminum LT4 Heads, matching LT4 Intake, Roller Lifters, 1.6 RR's.
All the important components of a Super Stock Engine.

FWIW Dart made a handful of LT1 Aluminum Blocks.

Rich Biebel · 03-04-2020, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

94/96 Impala SS/Caprice 350/260/299 HP LT1 has a Vortec Iron Head.
1.94/1.50 Valves, 72cc Chamber and a F- Body cam at .447/.459 Lift.

LT1 Aluminum Head engines use the same Cam and Valves at 58cc.
Posted with more HP.

LT4 Aluminum Heads have 1.60/1.55 Valves with 1.6 Roller Rockers.
Seeing two cams one at .476/.479 lift, and .525/.525 Lift (Hotcam)

Suspect the Hotcam LT4 is the one rated at 358 hp.
This would be the 1996 Corvette.
Aluminum LT4 Heads, matching LT4 Intake, 1.6 RR's.
All the important components of a Super Stock Engine.

94/96 Caprice run in J/SA at 3708 lbs, natural K car
Impala SS run K/SA at 4057 lbs
Natural L car at 4207 lbs
Weighted for M at 4356 lbs.

FWIW Dart made a handful of LT1 Aluminum Blocks.

No the LT-4 is not the one rated at 358...
Your standard LT-1 is

I don't even think the LT-4 is an accepted combo. Not real sure about that though.....

GUMP · 03-04-2020, 03:39 PM

The LT4 is a legal stick combination for the 1996 Corvette (only).

Race Clean · 03-04-2020, 03:51 PM

Back in the days you were a hero if you did go fast with your car, now you're an idiot if you do the same,Dragracing is still the most entertaining sport, but these days it has moved behind the keyboard it seems

I say use the 1/8 mile numbers and let the Cars finally enter their CORRECT class and then we can go back to real racing again!

(There were a car that went the "the number of the beast" in H/SA on the 1/8 more than once last weekend...not much talk about that one though

)

03-04-2020, 08:14 AM	#61
rboyle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 604 Likes: 1,454 Liked 586 Times in 162 Posts	Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose I think the system works. If guys want to go fast that's their decision. The weather blame is silly. We all have weather stations and data, if the weather looks crazy and the run feels real good then decide fast if you are lifting or run it out especially on a qualifying or class run. If it's heads up final at a National event and you hit the combo you'd be happy.

03-04-2020, 08:46 AM	#62
HR9121 Live Reporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New Bern, NC Posts: 3,467 Likes: 146 Liked 3,363 Times in 731 Posts	Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose I agree Daren with 1.30. If the weather blame is silly then why have the mineshaft rule at all. I mean the mineshaft rule is in place for unusual weather conditions to start with, so do away with that and let all runs count all the time and include Indy as well. If you want the AHFS to work there should be no free passes. You got a combo that goes 1.20 under at -800 DA and one that does it at Indy at 3500 DA, which one really needs the hp? To say the weather blame is silly is silly. __________________ James Williamson W200 J/SA. SS/JA Last edited by HR9121; 03-04-2020 at 09:04 AM.

03-04-2020, 10:13 AM	#64
countrypuppy4865 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Donaldsonville, LA Posts: 980 Likes: 17 Liked 228 Times in 70 Posts	Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose In the words of Kenny Rogers "You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em" __________________ Jimmy "Cooter" Hidalgo, Jr. 4865 E/SA '04 GTO 4865 SS/GA '99 Firebird

03-04-2020, 10:37 AM	#65
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,677 Likes: 3,381 Liked 1,821 Times in 425 Posts	Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose So now you want 130 in a mineshaft condition.? I’ve said this before if you go 120 anywhere anytime You Need HP. Where does it stop.? NHRA took 3 tenths of everyone and moved the hp hit from. 1.15. To 1.20. How about not tuning the car up to go too fast 100 lbs of lead will save ya. Like cooter said I mean what Kenny Rodgers said Please. For Indy put the same 1.20 hit back on and the ahfs will work. Like it should __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

03-04-2020, 02:48 PM	#67
Dan Fahey VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,128 Likes: 1,084 Liked 184 Times in 113 Posts	Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose 94/96 Impala SS/Caprice 350/260/299 HP LT1 uses a Vortec Iron Head. 1.94/1.50 Valves, Roller Lifters, 72cc Chamber and a F- Body cam at .447/.459 Lift. 94/96 Caprice run in J/SA at 3708 lbs, natural K car Impala SS run K/SA at 4057 lbs Natural L car at 4207 lbs Weighted for M at 4356 lbs. LT1 Aluminum Head engines are same with 58cc rated with more HP. LT4 Aluminum Heads have 1.60/1.55 Valves with 1.6 Roller Rockers. Seeing two cams one at .476/.479 lift and .525/.525 Lift (Hotcam) Suspect the Hotcam LT4 is the one rated at 358 hp. This would be the 1996 Corvette. Aluminum LT4 Heads, matching LT4 Intake, Roller Lifters, 1.6 RR's. All the important components of a Super Stock Engine. FWIW Dart made a handful of LT1 Aluminum Blocks. Last edited by Dan Fahey; 03-04-2020 at 02:55 PM.

03-04-2020, 03:39 PM	#69
GUMP VIP Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shelby, NC Posts: 1,823 Likes: 2,166 Liked 2,354 Times in 554 Posts	Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose The LT4 is a legal stick combination for the 1996 Corvette (only).

03-04-2020, 03:51 PM	#70
Race Clean Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 159 Likes: 18 Liked 129 Times in 53 Posts	Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose Back in the days you were a hero if you did go fast with your car, now you're an idiot if you do the same,Dragracing is still the most entertaining sport, but these days it has moved behind the keyboard it seems I say use the 1/8 mile numbers and let the Cars finally enter their CORRECT class and then we can go back to real racing again! (There were a car that went the "the number of the beast" in H/SA on the 1/8 more than once last weekend...not much talk about that one though ) __________________ Stop global whining Last edited by Race Clean; 03-04-2020 at 04:35 PM.