Pray for ALL racers and families

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by BRETV

Mike,

1. People can believe whatever they chose to believe. The Lord loved us enough to gave us freewill to make our own decisions and choices. It's like not believing in gravity and jumping off a cliff, whether you believe there is such a thing that you cannot see or touch but when you jump its pulls you down, doesn't change the fact that it exists. The two go hand in hand. If you believe there's Heaven then something had to create that Heaven.

2. No, not everybody will go to Heaven, but that's not the fault of God. We ALL have a choice to make in this life and not everybody will chose to believe the truth and follow the Lord. I will but it to you this way, when I first started wondering and questioning whether to believe or not, I thought hey, If I believe all this stuff and I die and it's not true, oh well, I was a good person who lived by the 10 commandments and did my best, nothing lost, no big deal. But if I don't believe and it is true, holy crap, my eternity is in a place nobody wants to be for a second, let alone forever.

Hope that helps answer your questions.



Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

I'm glad you enjoy your religion. And I'm sure there are folks who benefit from it now and then, as a crutch to get themselves through difficult times.

But, in reality religion is nothing more than fantasy theater. All the players get bit parts and play it out as they see fit. But there is absolutely no proof that any god exists, or has ever existed. God is simply a man made fiction that can be used to control large groups of people as Constatine discovered in 330AD.

[Randy Wells]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

I'm glad you enjoy your religion. And I'm sure there are folks who benefit from it now and then, as a crutch to get themselves through difficult times.

But, in reality religion is nothing more than fantasy theater. All the players get bit parts and play it out as they see fit. But there is absolutely no proof that any god exists, or has ever existed. God is simply a man made fiction that can be used to control large groups of people as Constatine discovered in 330AD.

Wow you are a commie, LOL

[Superfan1]

Originally Posted by Randy Wells

Wow you are a commie, LOL

Even though I don't agree with Bruce concerning the existence of God; he certainly has the right and the freedom to express his views. That is what makes this country great.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Superfan1

Even though I don't agree with Bruce concerning the existence of God; he certainly has the right and the freedom to express his views. That is what makes this country great.

Exactly. This country was founded on separation of church and state. Which not only means you can believe or not believe in GOD. But also if you believe in GOD you not someone else or this country gets to choice who you believe in..

Stan

[Greg Reimer 7376]

John, your story was epic. Very true to the nature of God. We may have differences of theology, even within the same church, but one thing is true. We can't deny a firsthand experience. One wiser than I summed it up very well with the quotable phrase," A man with a testimony has nothing to fear from a man with an argument". A person can deny another one's beliefs, but he will never be able to deny the truth of what happens.
Four terms come to mind- theology, doctrine, experience, and Scripture. Theology is the study of who God is and how He does things. Doctrine is man's opinion of what God does and doesn't do. Experience is the reality of what God does and has done. Scripture is God's revelation of who He is.Only two of the four are indisputable. I'm glad for the experiences of many and myself. That's what counts. The rest is subject to revision by the collision with reality.

[jmcarter]

Thank you John for sharing that. Having a “mountain top” experience is definitely something that changes your life. When encountering someone who denies God my first thought is the certain knowledge that one day that person will encounter Christ. I do not know when that will occur but I’m certain our merciful and loving God is always working to gather all his children.

[BRETV]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

I'm glad you enjoy your religion. And I'm sure there are folks who benefit from it now and then, as a crutch to get themselves through difficult times.

But, in reality religion is nothing more than fantasy theater. All the players get bit parts and play it out as they see fit. But there is absolutely no proof that any god exists, or has ever existed. God is simply a man made fiction that can be used to control large groups of people as Constatine discovered in 330AD.

So who created you Bruce? There is much proof to God's existence. Constatine is only man's opinion, Give me proof He doesn't exist.



Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by BRETV

So who created you Bruce? There is much proof to God's existence. Constatine is only man's opinion, Give me proof He doesn't exist.




Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

Nice try. But when it comes to god, the burden of proof is on you. Good luck with that!

[BRETV]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Nice try. But when it comes to god, the burden of proof is on you. Good luck with that!

No, you said God didn't exist, it's on you to prove it. So again, who created you?

And you are right about religion, it does control people with it's rules. What I'm saying is, this is ALL about a relationship, not a set of religious rules to follow. We follow Him and His rules or I should say commandments because we are thankful for what HE has done and died for us. And the commandments He put into place is for our own good and well being. Just like when you were a kid and your father gave you rules to follow, to keep you safe and out of trouble. Again, it's about a relationship, NOT a religion or set of rules.



Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by BRETV

No, you said God didn't exist, it's on you to prove it. So again, who created you?

And you are right about religion, it does control people with it's rules. What I'm saying is, this is ALL about a relationship, not a set of religious rules to follow. We follow Him and His rules or I should say commandments because we are thankful for what HE has done and died for us. And the commandments He put into place is for our own good and well being. Just like when you were a kid and your father gave you rules to follow, to keep you safe and out of trouble. Again, it's about a relationship, NOT a religion or set of rules.



Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

Lol. You're running now. You've been out here making extraordinary claims and can't prove one single word of it and now you're in a corner. Not one bit sorry for you. Prove it or admit you can't. Its not up to me to prove a darn thing when it comes to the gods.