First VS Worst red light

Dave Noll · 08-23-2020, 10:52 PM

Seems to be a more civil response this time around.

Mike Rietow · 08-23-2020, 11:28 PM

You want rules that are rational,make sense and are not arbitrary.

First is worse is arbitrary. Arbitrary is authoritarian, authoritarian is leftist.

The argument because the fast car doesn't have a clean tree, it should given the advantage of first is worse, isn't a rational argument. It's an opinion.

Ya definitely don't want subjective (opinion) rules.

Objectivity through rational thought is western and masculine concept liberals challenge on a daily basis across this country, and we're losing enough ground as it is.

You want rules that are objective , make sense and are not arbitrary..

Jeff Stout · 08-23-2020, 11:34 PM

Still wondering why first is worse in a heads up. This is a performance class and fastest car in heads up should be the winner first redlight should not be relevant by some of your way of thinking

Lenny5160 · 08-23-2020, 11:41 PM

There is a concentration advantage to be gained for the faster car under TruSTART as well. Without it, I know I'd have a tendency to sneak a peek to the other side to see if my opponent happened to go red. With TruSTART, the slower car's bulb always shows green so there's nothing to see over there. It helps me keep my mind where it should be.

Mike Rietow · 08-23-2020, 11:55 PM

Take a rational approach in looking at it. When does a drag race start? Answer, when two cars start the clocks.

It's arbitrary to declare one contestant loser, before the race even starts.

It takes two to have a drag race.

If you make a single it's not a drag race, it's a pass or a lap..

Mike Pearson · 08-24-2020, 08:24 AM

If it came to a vote I would pick the Tru start. Technology has changed over the years and this could be one of the improvements. I don't remember if it would have ever helped me. I doubt it would com in to play that often.

Quo Pro Joe · 08-24-2020, 09:22 AM

Class racing is different than bracket racing in that it is a performance class. Some guy in a fast H/SA could theoretically be giving a handicap to a slow A/SA.If he does and the A/SA redlights,that is too bad.

Jeff Stout · 08-24-2020, 09:43 AM

Last time this topic was hot we took a vote and I think it was 50 50

08-23-2020, 10:52 PM	#1
Dave Noll Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Div. 6, Eastern, WA Posts: 710 Likes: 2,681 Liked 240 Times in 112 Posts	Re: First VS Worst red light Seems to be a more civil response this time around. __________________ Dave Noll, EF/S ,?/SA 6526

08-23-2020, 11:28 PM	#2
Mike Rietow Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 93 Likes: 19 Liked 30 Times in 16 Posts	Re: First VS Worst red light You want rules that are rational,make sense and are not arbitrary. First is worse is arbitrary. Arbitrary is authoritarian, authoritarian is leftist. The argument because the fast car doesn't have a clean tree, it should given the advantage of first is worse, isn't a rational argument. It's an opinion. Ya definitely don't want subjective (opinion) rules. Objectivity through rational thought is western and masculine concept liberals challenge on a daily basis across this country, and we're losing enough ground as it is. You want rules that are objective , make sense and are not arbitrary.. __________________ 7x S/Pro 'Sunshine" http://ottm.store https://youtu.be/I8QWEaqeFRw Last edited by Mike Rietow; 08-23-2020 at 11:40 PM.

08-23-2020, 11:34 PM	#3
Jeff Stout VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,489 Likes: 66 Liked 706 Times in 283 Posts	Re: First VS Worst red light Still wondering why first is worse in a heads up. This is a performance class and fastest car in heads up should be the winner first redlight should not be relevant by some of your way of thinking

08-23-2020, 11:41 PM	#4
Lenny5160 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Inver Grove Heights, MN Posts: 898 Likes: 604 Liked 431 Times in 224 Posts	Re: First VS Worst red light There is a concentration advantage to be gained for the faster car under TruSTART as well. Without it, I know I'd have a tendency to sneak a peek to the other side to see if my opponent happened to go red. With TruSTART, the slower car's bulb always shows green so there's nothing to see over there. It helps me keep my mind where it should be. __________________ S/ST 51 S/C 53

08-23-2020, 11:55 PM	#5
Mike Rietow Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 93 Likes: 19 Liked 30 Times in 16 Posts	Re: First VS Worst red light Take a rational approach in looking at it. When does a drag race start? Answer, when two cars start the clocks. It's arbitrary to declare one contestant loser, before the race even starts. It takes two to have a drag race. If you make a single it's not a drag race, it's a pass or a lap.. __________________ 7x S/Pro 'Sunshine" http://ottm.store https://youtu.be/I8QWEaqeFRw

08-24-2020, 08:24 AM	#6
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,456 Likes: 618 Liked 1,945 Times in 586 Posts	Re: First VS Worst red light If it came to a vote I would pick the Tru start. Technology has changed over the years and this could be one of the improvements. I don't remember if it would have ever helped me. I doubt it would com in to play that often. __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

08-24-2020, 09:22 AM	#7
Quo Pro Joe Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 32 Likes: 0 Liked 24 Times in 12 Posts	Re: First VS Worst red light Class racing is different than bracket racing in that it is a performance class. Some guy in a fast H/SA could theoretically be giving a handicap to a slow A/SA.If he does and the A/SA redlights,that is too bad.

08-24-2020, 09:43 AM	#8
Jeff Stout VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,489 Likes: 66 Liked 706 Times in 283 Posts	Re: First VS Worst red light Last time this topic was hot we took a vote and I think it was 50 50