First VS Worst red light

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by Allen Wilson III

Since Stock, SS, and Comp for that matter are performance based classes, I have a hard time seeing it changing...

As true as that may be, at the same time you could have a A/SA that barely runs the index getting a slight statistical advantage over the baddest I/SA in the country just because it's quicker, but not "better performing".

[Mark Yacavone]

Food for thought.
NHRA makes changes to the format all the time .
Not the same as allowing more goodies. (All due respect to my brother BP)
i.e. Space age materials not allowed in Pro/S , but allowed in Stock.


When R/T's started to appear on time slips , I'm sure the Mopar backed teams didn't like it one bit, having practiced R/T's at their exclusive test sessions.

When the 3 amber tree came out, I was driving a stick car, without a 2 step. I was used to having time to look back and forth between the tree and the tach. I didn't like it, but had to adapt.

I don't see where Tru-start in effect, would change much of anything. If you're looking around, instead of being locked in, I don't know what to tell you..Maybe Sal or Peter could help you ..;-)

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout

Last time this topic was hot we took a vote and I think it was 50 50

From the responses, that sounds about right.

I just looked at last year's 128 car Indy Stock Q-list. I could be off slightly. But I counted 62 cars that ran 10.50 or quicker. That doesn't miss 50/50 by much.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

So, I'm assuming that the majority of quick guys are against, & the majority of slow guys are for.

And from the tone of several quick guys who are against, they seem to feel that those who are for, should quit class racing & go bracket racing.

And I assume that would include even the slow guys who have flogged the same combo for years, set nat records, & can still run more than 1.2 under, if they had to.

Just a simple observation, from a reader & non-voter.

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by 1347

So you are for true start and you want heads ups to be that the faster car wins no matter what the light is? Well that will ruin heads up racing if thats the case. You have never watched a heads up race with a David and Goliath story of a holeshot win with the slower car getting the win because the faster car may have been over cautious? People complain that class racing is hard enough to follow already. It would be stupid to remove the redlight in a heads up race. Every other heads up race from Top Fuel to Street outlaws as fake as it is penalizes someone for leaving early in a heads up race.

I say no to true start in any capacity of class racing.

I was making a point. An analogy. You allow worst redlight in heads up, but not during other passes. Why?
Yes no red light in heads up would kill any chance for me to win.

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by Ernie Neal

Okay, number one the redlight is not how to start the race (I know for I do it all the time). I have no problem with the first redlight is the loser. I have fast and slow cars.

I am not the guy that moves next to a dragstrip and complains about the noise either. In other words, when I read the rulebook and accepted this as the venue that I would be competing in, I don’t expect the rules to be changed to meet my personal needs. I’m glad to get away from flag starters and the 5 bulb tree. I do like the reaction timers, just so I can tell how good or bad I was. I think we are good with the way it is.

I don’t have anything good to say about the truestart system. I’m pleased someone created it, for their benefit. I feel that if NHRA wanted it they would have had it created.

I personally don’t feel your truestart pain.

Ernie Neal
SS 354

Asking to get parts on my car legal to go faster is a personal benefit. Asking 25 HP off my car only is a personal benefit. True start makes every one from trying to not red light. Now it's just the slow car that have to worry. Sounds like the current way is a personal benefit for the faster of 2 cars.

[Speer Drag Racing]

Originally Posted by J DeForrest

If you look at it logically, only the tree matters here. Keep out any other fast car vs slow car advantages/disadvantages. I have been running S/SS for only 15 yrs, but been around it for over 40, and have never ran into ANYONE who thinks there is an advantage to the slow end of a staggered tree. The rule is fine as-is, as it can level out the non-clean tree racer in rare instances. This Tru-start in MY opinion is one baby step towards 'everyone gets a trophy'

The only situation Tru start makes sense to me is a delay box class with crosstalk on, but that is another conversation.

As I was reading through the responses, Jason's response is exactly what was going through my head! I will deal with the rules however they are decided. We all can't be as good as Jeff who has never been distracted by a slower car leaving! I had issues with that for years and have worked my butt off at becoming as focused as possible but it's still difficult. I say leave it as is!

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by Speer Drag Racing

As I was reading through the responses, Jason's response is exactly what was going through my head! I will deal with the rules however they are decided. We all can't be as good as Jeff who has never been distracted by a slower car leaving! I had issues with that for years and have worked my butt off at becoming as focused as possible but it's still difficult. I say leave it as is!

I would never say I never had trouble with slow cars, but I worked it out and its a non issue. Im just Joe Average guy so I feel if I can do it anyone can do it if they practice and try.

[Lenny5160]

If you remove all thoughts about which car has an advantage in which situations (because that shouldn't be a factor), the current/historical red light rule is unlike any other rule in handicap racing. TruSTART makes it conform to the standard template.

If the violation is the same, the loser is who did it first. If they are different violations, the loser is who did the worst one. If it is the same rule violation but is measurable, the loser is who had the worst violation.

[sska3360]

I just want to say thank you to everybody who has expressed their opinion on this subject in a meaningful way, for or against TrueStart. My intention when creating this thread was to get the honest opinions of fellow class racers. Especially since a vast majority of the members on here have years, if not decades more experience than myself.

[Clint Rigby]

True Start!!!! Should have been this way all along.

Take breaking out!! Would it make since to say who ever breaks out first loses? No, same goes for Red lights IMO.