Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers

oldskool · 10-20-2020, 09:51 AM

This was one of the videos posted in the Stock/SS section.

@ the 10:16 point is Keri Angeles driving the John Angeles '69 SS Bird. This car & driver are said to be the 1st regular SS Pontiac 400 powered car to break into the 9's, back in 2000.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop

Fastglen · 10-29-2020, 10:26 AM

Just a few words to complete the interesting Pontiac racing history some of you are compiling. I did purchase Jack Mullins 73 Super Duty. It had a stick and I changed to an automatic and really woke it up. The car had an impressive winning streak and did set a record in the process. As my friend John Clegg reminds me often, The biggest expense on the car was front tires, as we went through them often trying to adjust to the new "break out "rules. The previous picture of the flats were at the Winternationals during the quarter final round. There were several other simular episodes, so I decided to go comp racing in econo funny car with the former Gene Snow Snowman car (Pontiac Astra) this time with ram air v equipment. I returned to Super Stock with the Larry Pacey 74 Super Duty delivered to my home by Darrell Gwyn in his funny car hauler on the way to the west coast. The car was never defeated in National class events and won many local and Points races. We set the national record in SS/LA as a formula car powered with the 400 engine. It was this car that that got the attention of Kenny Bernstein and the Budweiser-Motorcraft group for the Super Team. I joined the Team as the Super Stock pilot in a Mustang and traded the 74 to John Clegg for a custom Weather Master 42 foot hauler built of course by John.
I have tried to trace the 73 car after I sold it to a young medical student in Houston but have been unsuccessful. The 74 is the car JB Clegg is now successfully campaigning. Hope this helps complete the interesting history on the previous pages.

Cstockbird · 06-25-2021, 04:14 PM

Anybody know where The Herslow & Morlock '73 SD455 Bird was an E/SA nat record holder car went? Is it’s still racing today as one of the current SS cars?

Mark Yacavone · 06-25-2021, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cstockbird

Anybody know where The Herslow & Morlock '73 SD455 Bird was an E/SA nat record holder car went? Is it’s still racing today as one of the current SS cars?

It was converted to a 74 400 car. Phil Monteith owned it, I believe, and Sal Biondo won a race or two with it
I don't think it's one of the few that are still out there.

oldskool · 08-24-2021, 04:58 PM

OK guys, I've got a question now about GT cars. Must have help from racers on this, since I can't(or don't) always find the answers online.

Since GT cars can run engines from other brands & years, you can't always know what engine a GT car is running, by just looking at a qualifying list.

Example: There are LOTS more Pontiac body GT cars running a Chevy engine than a Pontiac engine. But, I've mentioned quite a few '82 & later Pontiac body GT cars that have run a Pontiac engine.

IIRC, I've only mentioned 2 non-Pontiac GT cars, that I know of that have run a Pontiac engine. These 2 are both Cobalts.
One belongs to Robert Cruzen. One belonged to Irvin Johns(driven some by Todd Frantz). By the way, these are 2 of the quickest Pontiac powered GT cars, ever.

My 1st question is: What other non-Pontiac GT cars do ya'll know of that runs, or has run a Pontiac V8 engine ?

Would like to have owner/driver names, years run, and whether the car is still active, with Pontiac power. Pics would be great, too.

All help with this will be appreciated !

PS: As I'm sure I probably mentioned, The Robert Cruzen Cobalt run in the 8's & as far as I know is the quickest Pontiac powered GT car. And Todd Frantz won the GT/FA class @ Indy, a couple of years back. Pretty sure the Cruzen car is still active, with Pontiac power. Not sure about the Irvin Johns car.

oldskool · 08-29-2021, 10:22 PM

Scott Burton just won SS at the div 6 race @ Yellowstone ! He was driving his Pontiac powered 3rd gen GT Bird.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r=100#indextop

PS: It's not a SS car, but at this same race, Scott's wife, Diane, got 3rd place in Stock, in her '74 Bird. And, in the 3rd round, she beat her son, Brad, with a perfect .000 light ! OK Mom !

oldskool · 09-01-2021, 06:26 PM

They've got Stock/SS qualifying & class runoffs today @ Indy. After qualifying, looks like Irvin Johns & Bill Rink have a good chance to pick up their class wins.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

BUT, with so many drivers "sandbaggin", you never know who may be able to run 2 tenths quicker than their qualifying time. I noticed that was happening in the 1st round of Stock class runs.

If the car Irvin Johns is driving is the same one Todd Frantz was driving in 2019, then both these cars have won class at Indy, before. Bill's '74 GTO has won class there, several times. He ran the same car at Indy back when it was still a Stocker. As he posted on this site, he switched to SS, because NHRA hit him with so much hp.

I'll add this as an edit.

Irvin Johns did win the GT/EA class, in the All-Pontiac powered final against Stacy McCarty. Bill Rink was RU in his class.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

Tatr · 10-18-2021, 11:20 AM

I ran my 3rd gen. IN GT/FA,GT/GA and GT/KA for a few years with 6x 400. Ran some 10.20s in GT/HA IN 1999-2004. Also ran 425 caddy for a few races.set GT/KA & GT/LA records with caddy power. Now owned by John Frech. Can’t seem to be able to download photo.

Tatr · 10-18-2021, 11:28 AM

I ran my 3rd gen.(TAT’R) in GT/FA,GT/GA and GT/HA for a few years with 6x 400 power,Ran some 10.20s in GT/HA IN 1999-2004. Also ran 425 caddy for a few races.set GT/KA (Bristol )& GT/LA (Orlando)records with caddy power. Now owned by John Frech. Can’t seem to be able to download photo. Bruce Campbell former NHRA/IHRA 2704 S/SS

oldskool · 10-11-2021, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

It was converted to a 74 400 car. Phil Monteith owned it, I believe, and Sal Biondo won a race or two with it
I don't think it's one of the few that are still out there.

I somehow missed this. I'd seen pics of a Sal Biondo win. There wasn't a real good pic of the entire car. But, I'd figured out that it was a '74(or at least LOOKED like a '74).

Therefore, I would have never guessed it to be the old H&M '73 car. Did Phil Monteith buy it from Phil Szupka, or ?

Decided to compare the #1 pic to this #3 pic I have of the car when Phil Szupka had it. I can see one sign that this is indeed the same car. The "NHRA" just over the door is in exactly the same place & at the same angle. Looks like they changed the contingency decals & lots of other stuff, but retained the NHRA nat record holder words over the doors. Have no idea what happened to it after that.

10-29-2020, 10:26 AM	#2
Fastglen Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 11 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers Just a few words to complete the interesting Pontiac racing history some of you are compiling. I did purchase Jack Mullins 73 Super Duty. It had a stick and I changed to an automatic and really woke it up. The car had an impressive winning streak and did set a record in the process. As my friend John Clegg reminds me often, The biggest expense on the car was front tires, as we went through them often trying to adjust to the new "break out "rules. The previous picture of the flats were at the Winternationals during the quarter final round. There were several other simular episodes, so I decided to go comp racing in econo funny car with the former Gene Snow Snowman car (Pontiac Astra) this time with ram air v equipment. I returned to Super Stock with the Larry Pacey 74 Super Duty delivered to my home by Darrell Gwyn in his funny car hauler on the way to the west coast. The car was never defeated in National class events and won many local and Points races. We set the national record in SS/LA as a formula car powered with the 400 engine. It was this car that that got the attention of Kenny Bernstein and the Budweiser-Motorcraft group for the Super Team. I joined the Team as the Super Stock pilot in a Mustang and traded the 74 to John Clegg for a custom Weather Master 42 foot hauler built of course by John. I have tried to trace the 73 car after I sold it to a young medical student in Houston but have been unsuccessful. The 74 is the car JB Clegg is now successfully campaigning. Hope this helps complete the interesting history on the previous pages. __________________ Glen Tinsley Last edited by Fastglen; 11-10-2020 at 11:27 AM. Reason: SS/LA instead of SS/MA

08-24-2021, 04:58 PM	#5
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers OK guys, I've got a question now about GT cars. Must have help from racers on this, since I can't(or don't) always find the answers online. Since GT cars can run engines from other brands & years, you can't always know what engine a GT car is running, by just looking at a qualifying list. Example: There are LOTS more Pontiac body GT cars running a Chevy engine than a Pontiac engine. But, I've mentioned quite a few '82 & later Pontiac body GT cars that have run a Pontiac engine. IIRC, I've only mentioned 2 non-Pontiac GT cars, that I know of that have run a Pontiac engine. These 2 are both Cobalts. One belongs to Robert Cruzen. One belonged to Irvin Johns(driven some by Todd Frantz). By the way, these are 2 of the quickest Pontiac powered GT cars, ever. My 1st question is: What other non-Pontiac GT cars do ya'll know of that runs, or has run a Pontiac V8 engine ? Would like to have owner/driver names, years run, and whether the car is still active, with Pontiac power. Pics would be great, too. All help with this will be appreciated ! PS: As I'm sure I probably mentioned, The Robert Cruzen Cobalt run in the 8's & as far as I know is the quickest Pontiac powered GT car. And Todd Frantz won the GT/FA class @ Indy, a couple of years back. Pretty sure the Cruzen car is still active, with Pontiac power. Not sure about the Irvin Johns car. Last edited by oldskool; 08-24-2021 at 05:01 PM.

08-29-2021, 10:22 PM	#6
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers Scott Burton just won SS at the div 6 race @ Yellowstone ! He was driving his Pontiac powered 3rd gen GT Bird. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r=100#indextop PS: It's not a SS car, but at this same race, Scott's wife, Diane, got 3rd place in Stock, in her '74 Bird. And, in the 3rd round, she beat her son, Brad, with a perfect .000 light ! OK Mom ! Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 09-01-2021 at 06:36 PM.

09-01-2021, 06:26 PM	#7
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers They've got Stock/SS qualifying & class runoffs today @ Indy. After qualifying, looks like Irvin Johns & Bill Rink have a good chance to pick up their class wins. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop BUT, with so many drivers "sandbaggin", you never know who may be able to run 2 tenths quicker than their qualifying time. I noticed that was happening in the 1st round of Stock class runs. If the car Irvin Johns is driving is the same one Todd Frantz was driving in 2019, then both these cars have won class at Indy, before. Bill's '74 GTO has won class there, several times. He ran the same car at Indy back when it was still a Stocker. As he posted on this site, he switched to SS, because NHRA hit him with so much hp. I'll add this as an edit. Irvin Johns did win the GT/EA class, in the All-Pontiac powered final against Stacy McCarty. Bill Rink was RU in his class. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop Last edited by oldskool; 09-01-2021 at 10:41 PM.

10-18-2021, 11:20 AM	#8
Tatr Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 34 Likes: 4 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers I ran my 3rd gen. IN GT/FA,GT/GA and GT/KA for a few years with 6x 400. Ran some 10.20s in GT/HA IN 1999-2004. Also ran 425 caddy for a few races.set GT/KA & GT/LA records with caddy power. Now owned by John Frech. Can’t seem to be able to download photo.

10-20-2020, 09:51 AM	#1
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers This was one of the videos posted in the Stock/SS section. @ the 10:16 point is Keri Angeles driving the John Angeles '69 SS Bird. This car & driver are said to be the 1st regular SS Pontiac 400 powered car to break into the 9's, back in 2000. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop Last edited by oldskool; 10-20-2020 at 09:56 AM.

06-25-2021, 04:14 PM	#3
Cstockbird Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers Anybody know where The Herslow & Morlock '73 SD455 Bird was an E/SA nat record holder car went? Is it’s still racing today as one of the current SS cars?

10-18-2021, 11:28 AM	#9
Tatr Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 34 Likes: 4 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers I ran my 3rd gen.(TAT’R) in GT/FA,GT/GA and GT/HA for a few years with 6x 400 power,Ran some 10.20s in GT/HA IN 1999-2004. Also ran 425 caddy for a few races.set GT/KA (Bristol )& GT/LA (Orlando)records with caddy power. Now owned by John Frech. Can’t seem to be able to download photo. Bruce Campbell former NHRA/IHRA 2704 S/SS Last edited by Tatr; 10-18-2021 at 11:36 AM.