Damn...305 superstock engine receives 15 hp.....

[thomas sheehan]

Originally Posted by james schaechter

Of course, if that was changed, then the SS cars would also get hit when GT is hit if the rule was universally applied. I don’t see that changing

Not true James... this only goes one way. (SS car goes fast- hit GT hp too)

3800 lb big air grabbing chevelle (or worse- some big wagon) running SS. Racer takes that motor combo and puts in GT car (cavalier?). Definite advantage for the more aerodynamic cavalier.
Thus, GT cars were given a separate HP from SS cars. If a GT car goes fast, it should not effect the SS cars (only SS cars going fast should hit both HP'er)

GT HP should NEVER have hp lower than the SS same combo.

But you are right about one thing.. NHRA probably won't change it... BUT they should.

[Herbie Null]

Originally Posted by thomas sheehan

Not true James... this only goes one way. (SS car goes fast- hit GT hp too)

3800 lb big air grabbing chevelle (or worse- some big wagon) running SS. Racer takes that motor combo and puts in GT car (cavalier?). Definite advantage for the more aerodynamic cavalier.
Thus, GT cars were given a separate HP from SS cars. If a GT car goes fast, it should not effect the SS cars (only SS cars going fast should hit both HP'er)

GT HP should NEVER have hp lower than the SS same combo.

But you are right about one thing.. NHRA probably won't change it... BUT they should.

Tom, what about a car that can claim SS and GT with the same engine, same body. The LT1 is 295 in GT and 279 in SS same body same engine? L98 Camaro's do the same thing, can run both classes with same car and engine. Either they both get hit or they stay separate. The problem is a car that has the correct engine in it should have not been allowed to run GT, but that bridge has been burnt down long ago.

[thomas sheehan]

That is very true Herb.
I agree... both should get

[Bench Racer]

Originally Posted by thomas sheehan

Not true James... this only goes one way. (SS car goes fast- hit GT hp too)

3800 lb big air grabbing chevelle (or worse- some big wagon) running SS. Racer takes that motor combo and puts in GT car (cavalier?). Definite advantage for the more aerodynamic cavalier.
Thus, GT cars were given a separate HP from SS cars. If a GT car goes fast, it should not effect the SS cars (only SS cars going fast should hit both HP'er)

GT HP should NEVER have hp lower than the SS same combo.

But you are right about one thing.. NHRA probably won't change it... BUT they should.

I have to agree. It's only common sense that an engine irregardless of the name on the fender will be quicker in a lighter car. IMHO there are several combinations in the guide that would be killers in a minimum weight GT car.

[Tom Meyer]

If you look at a 283 220 hp in SS, 233 in gt and Chevy IIs and 218 in a Chevelle. HP in a regular SS stick is higher than GT. Tom

[james schaechter]

Originally Posted by thomas sheehan

Not true James... this only goes one way. (SS car goes fast- hit GT hp too)

3800 lb big air grabbing chevelle (or worse- some big wagon) running SS. Racer takes that motor combo and puts in GT car (cavalier?). Definite advantage for the more aerodynamic cavalier.
Thus, GT cars were given a separate HP from SS cars. If a GT car goes fast, it should not effect the SS cars (only SS cars going fast should hit both HP'er)

GT HP should NEVER have hp lower than the SS same combo.

But you are right about one thing.. NHRA probably won't change it... BUT they should.

I agree to start it shouldn’t. I guess I was considering that GT already had some et penalty built in as well. Maybe not alll, but the ones that I look at. For example. If you look at the 9-9.5 lb weight breaks for SS and GT, the index for SS is .15-.2 slower than GT.

I think the same consideration for combining stick and auto classes can be made. For some, but not all classes. In my view, their are several classes like GTF-GTH,that could be combined. The hp is much higher in automatics for these classes because the indexes were too slow to begin with. Most of the good automatic stuff with Radials can run with a stickshift.

I know this doesn’t apply to all combos but if NHRA wanted more heads up races, they could do this with at least some classes.

[bykr]

Originally Posted by james schaechter

I agree to start it shouldn’t. I guess I was considering that GT already had some et penalty built in as well. Maybe not alll, but the ones that I look at. For example. If you look at the 9-9.5 lb weight breaks for SS and GT, the index for SS is .15-.2 slower than GT.

I think the same consideration for combining stick and auto classes can be made. For some, but not all classes. In my view, their are several classes like GTF-GTH,that could be combined. The hp is much higher in automatics for these classes because the indexes were too slow to begin with. Most of the good automatic stuff with Radials can run with a stickshift.

I know this doesn’t apply to all combos but if NHRA wanted more heads up races, they could do this with at least some classes.

The stick vs. auto heads up races would be interesting too.

[Bench Racer]

Originally Posted by Bench Racer

I don't like to speak for my brother but he don't do the internet. He received a gift of some horsepower in SS/GT earlier in the year. The offender laughed about it and said he don't run GT and didn't care. My brother spent thousands of dollars and had his Firebird changed from a 92 to a 87 Fromula with circus paint from Steve Mc Creary so he could pay back the favor. The car was entered at Rockingham as an 1987 Firebird Formula. The pass on the car was pretty weak as the 60 foot was a 1.38. David said he cracked the thrtottle and the MPH was maybe 131. Dave ley came by and sealed the engine. I convinced my brother to tear down early and not make a run that could have easily picked up a tenth. Every one picked up a tenth the next morning. I figured he still had a an easy 1.25 under after the horsepepower.The next morning it would have gone in the 9's in ss/la. Why the 1988 to 1992 305got the hit I don't know.

After looking back at the last comment I made on my post I realized this was a shotgun statement, in poor taste, certainly made with poor judgement, and it was removed. I was in no way speaking of the officials on site at Rockingham and my apologies go out to them. All were professional, helpful, performed their job well, and I commend them for the job they do. They are an asset to NHRA. Don Jackson