Damn...305 superstock engine receives 15 hp.....

[thomas sheehan]

Originally Posted by james schaechter

Of course, if that was changed, then the SS cars would also get hit when GT is hit if the rule was universally applied. I don’t see that changing

Not true James... this only goes one way. (SS car goes fast- hit GT hp too)

3800 lb big air grabbing chevelle (or worse- some big wagon) running SS. Racer takes that motor combo and puts in GT car (cavalier?). Definite advantage for the more aerodynamic cavalier.
Thus, GT cars were given a separate HP from SS cars. If a GT car goes fast, it should not effect the SS cars (only SS cars going fast should hit both HP'er)

GT HP should NEVER have hp lower than the SS same combo.

But you are right about one thing.. NHRA probably won't change it... BUT they should.

[Herbie Null]

Originally Posted by thomas sheehan

Not true James... this only goes one way. (SS car goes fast- hit GT hp too)

3800 lb big air grabbing chevelle (or worse- some big wagon) running SS. Racer takes that motor combo and puts in GT car (cavalier?). Definite advantage for the more aerodynamic cavalier.
Thus, GT cars were given a separate HP from SS cars. If a GT car goes fast, it should not effect the SS cars (only SS cars going fast should hit both HP'er)

GT HP should NEVER have hp lower than the SS same combo.

But you are right about one thing.. NHRA probably won't change it... BUT they should.

Tom, what about a car that can claim SS and GT with the same engine, same body. The LT1 is 295 in GT and 279 in SS same body same engine? L98 Camaro's do the same thing, can run both classes with same car and engine. Either they both get hit or they stay separate. The problem is a car that has the correct engine in it should have not been allowed to run GT, but that bridge has been burnt down long ago.

[thomas sheehan]

That is very true Herb.
I agree... both should get

[Bench Racer]

Originally Posted by thomas sheehan

Not true James... this only goes one way. (SS car goes fast- hit GT hp too)

3800 lb big air grabbing chevelle (or worse- some big wagon) running SS. Racer takes that motor combo and puts in GT car (cavalier?). Definite advantage for the more aerodynamic cavalier.
Thus, GT cars were given a separate HP from SS cars. If a GT car goes fast, it should not effect the SS cars (only SS cars going fast should hit both HP'er)

GT HP should NEVER have hp lower than the SS same combo.

But you are right about one thing.. NHRA probably won't change it... BUT they should.

I have to agree. It's only common sense that an engine irregardless of the name on the fender will be quicker in a lighter car. IMHO there are several combinations in the guide that would be killers in a minimum weight GT car.

[Tom Meyer]

If you look at a 283 220 hp in SS, 233 in gt and Chevy IIs and 218 in a Chevelle. HP in a regular SS stick is higher than GT. Tom

[james schaechter]

Originally Posted by thomas sheehan

Not true James... this only goes one way. (SS car goes fast- hit GT hp too)

3800 lb big air grabbing chevelle (or worse- some big wagon) running SS. Racer takes that motor combo and puts in GT car (cavalier?). Definite advantage for the more aerodynamic cavalier.
Thus, GT cars were given a separate HP from SS cars. If a GT car goes fast, it should not effect the SS cars (only SS cars going fast should hit both HP'er)

GT HP should NEVER have hp lower than the SS same combo.

But you are right about one thing.. NHRA probably won't change it... BUT they should.

I agree to start it shouldn’t. I guess I was considering that GT already had some et penalty built in as well. Maybe not alll, but the ones that I look at. For example. If you look at the 9-9.5 lb weight breaks for SS and GT, the index for SS is .15-.2 slower than GT.

I think the same consideration for combining stick and auto classes can be made. For some, but not all classes. In my view, their are several classes like GTF-GTH,that could be combined. The hp is much higher in automatics for these classes because the indexes were too slow to begin with. Most of the good automatic stuff with Radials can run with a stickshift.

I know this doesn’t apply to all combos but if NHRA wanted more heads up races, they could do this with at least some classes.

[bykr]

Originally Posted by james schaechter

I agree to start it shouldn’t. I guess I was considering that GT already had some et penalty built in as well. Maybe not alll, but the ones that I look at. For example. If you look at the 9-9.5 lb weight breaks for SS and GT, the index for SS is .15-.2 slower than GT.

I think the same consideration for combining stick and auto classes can be made. For some, but not all classes. In my view, their are several classes like GTF-GTH,that could be combined. The hp is much higher in automatics for these classes because the indexes were too slow to begin with. Most of the good automatic stuff with Radials can run with a stickshift.

I know this doesn’t apply to all combos but if NHRA wanted more heads up races, they could do this with at least some classes.

The stick vs. auto heads up races would be interesting too.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by bykr

The stick vs. auto heads up races would be interesting too.

Let's see .SS/L , 11.25..SS/LA , 11.45

Mmm-mmm,...Sure.

[james schaechter]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Let's see .SS/L , 11.25..SS/LA , 11.45

Mmm-mmm,...Sure.

Maybe not a powerglide 283 but oh wait a minute, they don’t have to run powerglides anymore.

And of course, this SSLA could hold its own with any SSL car

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r=100#indextop

I know it isn’t perfect for all classes, but the stick and auto is closer than ever. If the autos had the same index as the stick cars they wouldn’t have to spend most of their time slowing the car down to avoid hp.
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[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by james schaechter

Maybe not a powerglide 283 but oh wait a minute, they don’t have to run powerglides anymore.

And of course, this SSLA could hold its own with any SSL car

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r=100#indextop

I know it isn’t perfect for all classes, but the stick and auto is closer than ever. If the autos had the same index as the stick cars they wouldn’t have to spend most of their time slowing the car down to avoid hp.
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Talking Stock here..Not S/S
I suppose , if the stick guys spend enough on the clutches and R&D, they could match the automatic 60' s ,and then run the bigger speeds, they would be okay.
I never did like the combined idea, and still don't.