Not for Nuthin' But Close!

Tom Meyer · 12-07-2020, 11:47 PM

More stuff. Did you know that cavilers had three different spring packages for ride and handling. I think you could keep your weak springs in the front but go with heavier in the rear or stack 1/2 washers under the rear rear strut mounts and adding spring rubbers too, keeping more to the front and giving the car some front rake. Also make sure your rear struts are not leaking and are hard to compress. If you are doing stuff too the trans, welding the spiders may be a option, but you will have to get the front alignment right so it rolls easy. More to come. Tom

Billy Nees · 12-08-2020, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Meyer

More stuff. Did you know that cavilers had three different spring packages for ride and handling. I think you could keep your weak springs in the front but go with heavier in the rear or stack 1/2 washers under the rear rear strut mounts and adding spring rubbers too, keeping more to the front and giving the car some front rake. Also make sure your rear struts are not leaking and are hard to compress. If you are doing stuff too the trans, welding the spiders may be a option, but you will have to get the front alignment right so it rolls easy. More to come. Tom

With the wheel/tire combo that's on the car it definitely has a forward rake. I've had to raise the front slightly to get to the 3" minimum ground clearance.

A million years ago, I played with "welding spiders" in a FWD car. That won't happen again.

Mark Yacavone · 12-08-2020, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

A million years ago, I played with "welding spiders" in a FWD car. That won't happen again.

Times 2 !

Tom Meyer · 12-08-2020, 08:49 PM

They do make LSD for these to. That would ruin the nickel part. We use spring rubbers on the dirt to make the car turn. Tom

vic guilmino · 12-09-2020, 11:38 AM

anybody like to help me tune my 2005 GTP cone air filter and high flow cat. i have a hp tuner with O2 hook up.

Dave Noll · 12-10-2020, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

A million years ago, I played with "welding spiders" in a FWD car. That won't happen again.

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Times 2 !

Would be interested to hear about these as I was toying with doing this on the Escort. Is it the torque steer or something else. I did find an lsd for it though.

Dave Gantz · 12-10-2020, 10:31 AM

Aren't welded spider gears illegal? I wouldn't want to be on either end of that law suit. (The one that could ensue when an accident occurs because a weld or gear broke.)

Billy Nees · 12-10-2020, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Gantz

Aren't welded spider gears illegal?

Yup. Under General Regulations 2:11 Rear End,Welded spider gear rear ends prohibited in all classes.

Tom Meyer · 12-10-2020, 07:43 PM

They do it a lot in the fwd Dirt cars, never ever hear of anybody breaking one. Seen a bunch blow the the trans apart from the spiders spinning and cutting the pin in half. For setup you run less air from left to right for stager to go around corners and with the gears harder than the shaft it eats it up. For some of the rwd classes they have to run a mini spool with just the pin making it solid. If you work on the PS a little it does not take away any hp. 99 % of the all the dirt cars and nascar run PS. Its a old wise tail now days. How many time do you hear that somebody lost there PS and fell back out of contention, back in the day when nobody had it took a man to drive 500 miles. Tom

Billy Nees · 12-11-2020, 09:35 AM

Tom, I know that dirt tracks can get really "sticky" but, as I'm sure that you know, it's nothing like a "glued concrete" starting line. And there's not much need for P/S on a drag strip. Taking off the P/S pump and laying it aside was worth .08.

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Tom Meyer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pierce NE Posts: 928 Likes: 73 Liked 350 Times in 119 Posts	Re: Not for Nuthin' But Close! More stuff. Did you know that cavilers had three different spring packages for ride and handling. I think you could keep your weak springs in the front but go with heavier in the rear or stack 1/2 washers under the rear rear strut mounts and adding spring rubbers too, keeping more to the front and giving the car some front rake. Also make sure your rear struts are not leaking and are hard to compress. If you are doing stuff too the trans, welding the spiders may be a option, but you will have to get the front alignment right so it rolls easy. More to come. Tom __________________ Tom Meyer 5240 SS Stock ???

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Tom Meyer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pierce NE Posts: 928 Likes: 73 Liked 350 Times in 119 Posts	Re: Not for Nuthin' But Close! They do make LSD for these to. That would ruin the nickel part. We use spring rubbers on the dirt to make the car turn. Tom __________________ Tom Meyer 5240 SS Stock ???

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vic guilmino Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: wv Posts: 883 Likes: 42 Liked 56 Times in 21 Posts	Re: Not for Nuthin' But Close! anybody like to help me tune my 2005 GTP cone air filter and high flow cat. i have a hp tuner with O2 hook up. __________________ Vic Guilmino 1129 STK

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Dave Gantz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Verrry South Jersey Posts: 537 Likes: 134 Liked 251 Times in 125 Posts	Re: Not for Nuthin' But Close! Aren't welded spider gears illegal? I wouldn't want to be on either end of that law suit. (The one that could ensue when an accident occurs because a weld or gear broke.)

12-10-2020, 07:43 PM	#9
Tom Meyer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pierce NE Posts: 928 Likes: 73 Liked 350 Times in 119 Posts	Re: Not for Nuthin' But Close! They do it a lot in the fwd Dirt cars, never ever hear of anybody breaking one. Seen a bunch blow the the trans apart from the spiders spinning and cutting the pin in half. For setup you run less air from left to right for stager to go around corners and with the gears harder than the shaft it eats it up. For some of the rwd classes they have to run a mini spool with just the pin making it solid. If you work on the PS a little it does not take away any hp. 99 % of the all the dirt cars and nascar run PS. Its a old wise tail now days. How many time do you hear that somebody lost there PS and fell back out of contention, back in the day when nobody had it took a man to drive 500 miles. Tom __________________ Tom Meyer 5240 SS Stock ???

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Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,473 Likes: 3,564 Liked 7,594 Times in 1,718 Posts	Re: Not for Nuthin' But Close! Tom, I know that dirt tracks can get really "sticky" but, as I'm sure that you know, it's nothing like a "glued concrete" starting line. And there's not much need for P/S on a drag strip. Taking off the P/S pump and laying it aside was worth .08. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm OK..........it's everybody else.