'94-'96 GM B-body 260/299 LT1 350 sedan or wagon stocker? - Page 2

6130 · 08-05-2021, 03:57 PM

Thanks, guys.

I do like wagons...

Jerry Terry · 08-05-2021, 04:25 PM

I haven't seen a LT1 wagon racing for a while but that is what I would want to build I think that would be a reasonable build and fun to race. I raced 3 wagons through the 70"s and early 80"s loved them.

Jerry
Retired 3490 3492 STK SS SST

Paul Wong · 08-05-2021, 05:23 PM

[QUOTE=6130;644873]Anybody here race one?

Are they a viable combo without having to mortgage my home?

This a rocket combination. I set out to build it multiple times and still have a ton of core parts for one. This a 1.50 under ride in the right hands. I will tell you the stock rear end will expire quickly. The combination really needs a good 12 bolt. It is not a cheap ride but has great potential to be a number one qualifier and reliable.

6130 · 08-05-2021, 10:57 PM

KBB says they're worth about two grand, but the ones I've seen for sale all have pie in the sky asking prices four to five times that...

6130 · 08-05-2021, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Wong

This a rocket combination. I set out to build it multiple times and still have a ton of core parts for one. This a 1.50 under ride in the right hands. I will tell you the stock rear end will expire quickly. The combination really needs a good 12 bolt. It is not a cheap ride but has great potential to be a number one qualifier and reliable.

Thank you, Paul...

Mark Yacavone · 08-06-2021, 12:44 AM

Also available in the Buick Roadmaster line.The wagon is in the guide..Don't know why the sedan is not.
Cadillac Sedan DeVille... Not in the book either, but I always thought it would make a good cruiser and street bracket car.

6130 · 08-06-2021, 06:32 AM

Yeah, I was looking at the Roadmaster Estate wagon too...

Dan Fahey · 08-06-2021, 11:10 PM

I belong to a large B-body club.

Own a 94 Caprice Wagon and 1995 Impala SS
Ran the Impala SS as F/PS at IHRA and Association races.
Best run was at Cecil 12.47 at 107mph at 4200 lbs.
Ran wagon when SS was down and ran 14.95 90mph

Wagon has a Boxed frame making it very strong.
Will fall in M or N/SA. Around 4300lbs in M.

Both cars use PerformaBuilt 4L60E’s.
Installed in SS 6 years ago and run about 20 meets a year.
The 8.5 inch rear is very strong. Lots of upgrades available.
Never broke a rear in the 95SS racing it for 20+ years.
Owned ‘since new.

Use a Truck case as it is stronger.
Have that one in the Wagon. installed 5 years ago.
Handles trailering the SS over the Appalachians in the heat.
Going strong..compared to the last 7 that failed built by others.

Just installed a Bullet Stocker cam moving to K/SA.
SS is Natural L. K Light and M heavy.
Decal the front grill with CAPRICE and run J/SA.

The chassis is the same as a 1964 Chevelle/GTO/GM.
Dick Miller has what you need.
The axles are slightly wider.
Use a Metco Lower Arm add an SS roll bar and Airbags

I have rebuilt every moving component in the wagon.
Been an ongoing restoration and has 270k miles and burn no oil.

Pulled the SS engine it had 205k miles on it.
Still had the factory hone marks on it.
Rebuilt as forged 383 and have not installed yet in the wagon.
Jeff Warren built the Stocker engine..

The Cylinder heads use the Vortex ports.
Joe Mondello wrote a article about it in 2011.

Prices are rising quickly as more get fixed up.
Hard to find one clean or with low miles.

Hope this helps.
D

6130 · 08-07-2021, 07:03 AM

14.95 is WAY off the index(es).

The others are telling me to dump the 4L60E.

What do you mean by a "Truck case"? Are you talking about the differential case? I'd be running a spool.

It's been about 25 years since I was underneath one of these things- they use the same triangulated 4-link that GM used in all their other mid and full sized cars for 30 years or so, right?

I think the stock rules allow relocating one of the mounting points on those to move the instant center of the rear suspension to improve the geometry.

You use an OEM SS rear sway bar and TWO airbags? I thought I remember people only using one air bag back then. Are there better rear sway bars available so that I can get away without having to run any airbags? I can tune a sway bar like that with washers.

What about headers? I See that Hooker makes ceramic-coated headers with 1-3/4" primaries that sweep up and over, into a 3" collector.

In any case, thanks for your input.

6130 · 08-07-2021, 07:10 AM

...and I would be interested in hearing more about your Bullet cam...

08-05-2021, 03:57 PM	#11
6130 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 409 Likes: 295 Liked 117 Times in 50 Posts	Re: '94-'96 GM B-body 260/299 LT1 350 sedan or wagon stocker Thanks, guys. I do like wagons...

08-05-2021, 04:25 PM	#12
Jerry Terry Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 652 Likes: 6,086 Liked 450 Times in 133 Posts	Re: '94-'96 GM B-body 260/299 LT1 350 sedan or wagon stocker I haven't seen a LT1 wagon racing for a while but that is what I would want to build I think that would be a reasonable build and fun to race. I raced 3 wagons through the 70"s and early 80"s loved them. Jerry Retired 3490 3492 STK SS SST

08-05-2021, 05:23 PM	#13
Paul Wong Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 384 Likes: 101 Liked 419 Times in 85 Posts	Re: '94-'96 GM B-body 260/299 LT1 350 sedan or wagon stocker [QUOTE=6130;644873]Anybody here race one? Are they a viable combo without having to mortgage my home? This a rocket combination. I set out to build it multiple times and still have a ton of core parts for one. This a 1.50 under ride in the right hands. I will tell you the stock rear end will expire quickly. The combination really needs a good 12 bolt. It is not a cheap ride but has great potential to be a number one qualifier and reliable.

08-05-2021, 10:57 PM	#14
6130 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 409 Likes: 295 Liked 117 Times in 50 Posts	Re: '94-'96 GM B-body 260/299 LT1 350 sedan or wagon stocker KBB says they're worth about two grand, but the ones I've seen for sale all have pie in the sky asking prices four to five times that...

08-06-2021, 12:44 AM	#16
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,814 Likes: 2,902 Liked 5,117 Times in 1,949 Posts	Re: '94-'96 GM B-body 260/299 LT1 350 sedan or wagon stocker Also available in the Buick Roadmaster line.The wagon is in the guide..Don't know why the sedan is not. Cadillac Sedan DeVille... Not in the book either, but I always thought it would make a good cruiser and street bracket car. __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

08-06-2021, 06:32 AM	#17
6130 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 409 Likes: 295 Liked 117 Times in 50 Posts	Re: '94-'96 GM B-body 260/299 LT1 350 sedan or wagon stocker Yeah, I was looking at the Roadmaster Estate wagon too...

08-06-2021, 11:10 PM	#18
Dan Fahey VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,128 Likes: 1,084 Liked 184 Times in 113 Posts	Re: '94-'96 GM B-body 260/299 LT1 350 sedan or wagon stocker I belong to a large B-body club. Own a 94 Caprice Wagon and 1995 Impala SS Ran the Impala SS as F/PS at IHRA and Association races. Best run was at Cecil 12.47 at 107mph at 4200 lbs. Ran wagon when SS was down and ran 14.95 90mph Wagon has a Boxed frame making it very strong. Will fall in M or N/SA. Around 4300lbs in M. Both cars use PerformaBuilt 4L60E’s. Installed in SS 6 years ago and run about 20 meets a year. The 8.5 inch rear is very strong. Lots of upgrades available. Never broke a rear in the 95SS racing it for 20+ years. Owned ‘since new. Use a Truck case as it is stronger. Have that one in the Wagon. installed 5 years ago. Handles trailering the SS over the Appalachians in the heat. Going strong..compared to the last 7 that failed built by others. Just installed a Bullet Stocker cam moving to K/SA. SS is Natural L. K Light and M heavy. Decal the front grill with CAPRICE and run J/SA. The chassis is the same as a 1964 Chevelle/GTO/GM. Dick Miller has what you need. The axles are slightly wider. Use a Metco Lower Arm add an SS roll bar and Airbags I have rebuilt every moving component in the wagon. Been an ongoing restoration and has 270k miles and burn no oil. Pulled the SS engine it had 205k miles on it. Still had the factory hone marks on it. Rebuilt as forged 383 and have not installed yet in the wagon. Jeff Warren built the Stocker engine.. The Cylinder heads use the Vortex ports. Joe Mondello wrote a article about it in 2011. Prices are rising quickly as more get fixed up. Hard to find one clean or with low miles. Hope this helps. D Last edited by Dan Fahey; 08-07-2021 at 04:36 AM.

08-07-2021, 07:03 AM	#19
6130 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 409 Likes: 295 Liked 117 Times in 50 Posts	Re: '94-'96 GM B-body 260/299 LT1 350 sedan or wagon stocker 14.95 is WAY off the index(es). The others are telling me to dump the 4L60E. What do you mean by a "Truck case"? Are you talking about the differential case? I'd be running a spool. It's been about 25 years since I was underneath one of these things- they use the same triangulated 4-link that GM used in all their other mid and full sized cars for 30 years or so, right? I think the stock rules allow relocating one of the mounting points on those to move the instant center of the rear suspension to improve the geometry. You use an OEM SS rear sway bar and TWO airbags? I thought I remember people only using one air bag back then. Are there better rear sway bars available so that I can get away without having to run any airbags? I can tune a sway bar like that with washers. What about headers? I See that Hooker makes ceramic-coated headers with 1-3/4" primaries that sweep up and over, into a 3" collector. In any case, thanks for your input. Last edited by 6130; 08-07-2021 at 11:39 AM.

08-07-2021, 07:10 AM	#20
6130 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 409 Likes: 295 Liked 117 Times in 50 Posts	Re: '94-'96 GM B-body 260/299 LT1 350 sedan or wagon stocker ...and I would be interested in hearing more about your Bullet cam...