Those TRUMP haters and Afghanistan …

[Frank Castros]

Afghanistan is a notoriously difficult country to govern. Empire after empire, nation after nation have failed to pacify what is today the modern territory of Afghanistan, giving the region the nickname “Graveyard of Empires, ” even if sometimes those empires won some initial battles and made inroads into the region.

[SStockDart]

It has been reported that billions of dollars of top U.S. military equipment is being left behind for the Taliban to use.
Because of the incompetent Biden withdrawal, the Taliban has seized helicopters, Humvees, Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles (MRAPs), drones, and even “anti-aircraft guns, armored tanks, and artillery.”
Biden has no plan to get any of that equipment back or to keep the Taliban from seizing even more weapons.
American military hardware is the best in the world. Americans paid for it. We want it back and secured.
What is the plan, President Fudd?

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

It has been reported that billions of dollars of top U.S. military equipment is being left behind for the Taliban to use.
Because of the incompetent Biden withdrawal, the Taliban has seized helicopters, Humvees, Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles (MRAPs), drones, and even “anti-aircraft guns, armored tanks, and artillery.”
Biden has no plan to get any of that equipment back or to keep the Taliban from seizing even more weapons.
American military hardware is the best in the world. Americans paid for it. We want it back and secured.
What is the plan, President Fudd?

Who is going to maintain the equipment and obtain parts. Where is all the Soviet equipment that was left behind? Probably beaten into pots and pans. We obviously gave 320,000 Afghan soldiers the equipment necessary to fight a 25,000 Taliban force, but not the will power to do as much.

[Mike Jones]

[SStockDart]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Who is going to maintain the equipment and obtain parts. Where is all the Soviet equipment that was left behind? Probably beaten into pots and pans. We obviously gave 320,000 Afghan soldiers the equipment necessary to fight a 25,000 Taliban force, but not the will power to do as much.

I'm not worried about the Taliban maintaining anything. I'm saying that if our President was competent enough to have a real plan, we wouldn't have had to leave billions $ of equipment behind. You know....a few tanks here, a few helicopters there, pretty soon we are talking about a lot of resources and money to use in our next Middle East war. I agreed with getting out of Afghanistan (and Viet Nam), but it is how we got out that pizzes me off.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

I'm not worried about the Taliban maintaining anything. I'm saying that if our President was competent enough to have a real plan, we wouldn't have had to leave billions $ of equipment behind. You know....a few tanks here, a few helicopters there, pretty soon we are talking about a lot of resources and money to use in our next Middle East war. I agreed with getting out of Afghanistan (and Viet Nam), but it is how we got out that pizzes me off.

When was it ever the responsibility of the President to get the gear out. Example, the retreat out of the frozen Chosin in Korea. Army commanders bugged out and left all kinds of equipment behind for the Chinese, Marines re-tact marked them and drive off with it. It is the area commander responsibility to disable or destroy equipment as they depart. I always had C4, termite and MK45 shape charged to destroy or disable equipment if I needed to.

[SStockDart]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

When was it ever the responsibility of the President to get the gear out. Example, the retreat out of the frozen Chosin in Korea. Army commanders bugged out and left all kinds of equipment behind for the Chinese, Marines re-tact marked them and drive off with it. It is the area commander responsibility to disable or destroy equipment as they depart.

Anything that I think, do or say will not make any difference. It only makes me angry. Suppose returning Marines will get spit on.....called losers? Hope not. But you can't blame the President for the loss using your logic. Biden only ordered our military out.....how simple if he would have said "bring our equipment too".

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

Anything that I think, do or say will not make any difference. It only makes me angry. Suppose returning Marines will get spit on.....called losers? Hope not. But you can't blame the President for the loss using your logic. Biden only ordered our military out.....how simple if he would have said "bring our equipment too".

There were 980 US cargo planes that left out of Bagham Air Base carrying US equipment and troops. Here is a list of equipment that the Afghan Army and Air force has and it looks like a collection of old US and Soviet equipment.

Yes Gary, we can only hope the people in this country will not repeat the sins of the past in the way they treated our Vietnam Vets. I had just graduated from boot camp waiting for my flight back to Phoenix when a lady pointed a finger at me and my Buddy calling us “baby killer”, my quick response to her was, “I haven’t had the opportunity yet”.

[BrayJo]

Thinking that somehow you can just drop democracy off like a UPS truck upon another country riddled in dysfunction, factions, sects, warlords and where the actual government controls a only a sliver of the country, is a mistake.


When your purpose is to track down the people who were behind 9/11, and said country offers to turn them over and you say no, that's a mistake.


When you along with the Northern Alliance beat back the Taliban, and the Taliban offers surrender of their last stronghold, and you say no, that is mistake.


When you request release captured Taliban prisoners to the tune of 5,000 of them as a negotiation tool, that is a mistake.


When you recognize insurgents and negotiate a May 1 withdrawal with them rather than the actual Afghan gov, that is a mistake.


When the Taliban leader, is one of those you have released from prison and now de facto leader of Afghanistan, that is a mistake.



Afghanistan has been a 20 year mistake regardless of president. We don't learn from history. In fact, we don't learn from the history of others because Russia spent 10 years there dealing with kind of insurgents, only to do the same thing we just did.

[Grey Ghost]

Afghanistan and iraq were a knee jerk reaction brought on by a catastrophic failure of our intelligence community in 2001. Somebody had to pay the price for that failure and it sure as hell wasn't going to be the political elite or their anointed buds running any of the alphabet agencies.

Ask the families who lost loved ones on 9-11 who paid. Ask the families of the dead and wounded soldiers who served there who paid. Ask the citizens of those two counties who paid.

The snowflakes in the crapital building said they feared for their lives in the January awakening and they weren't even in the building. Wondering how the dc chimps would feel if they were sitting in the Kabul airport.