To all you INTELLECTUALS (B Parker)

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Gary Parker

How many people are making the same horsepower they did 10 or 5 years ago..

The people whose combos aren't "blessed" with replacement blocks,heads(iron AND aluminum), intakes and carbs. The people whose combos don't respond to roller rockers, solid lifters and replacement pistons and rings that don't even LOOK like the original ones but get approved anyway. The people whose combos are carb, intake or cylinder head restricted. These people are making the same or slightly more HP while still being stuck with, mostly, the same HP factor while all of the combos that DO benefit from all of the above "enhancements" complain that the indexes are too soft.
I can build your brother's combo without using a single part that Chevrolet ever installed on a STOCK (meaning original) 402/375 including the intake and the carb!

[Gary Parker]

So you agree Billy. People are making more horsepower. I don't make the rules, Just live by them. My cast iron intake cast heads made more horsepower 5 years in a row. We may not all agree on the enhancements but them are the rules.

[DG]

Every National Event should allow a minimum of 64 car field (no singles) and allow at least 70 entries. The quickest 64 cars qualify for the field. This will help fix the AHFS.

I remember when it was an honor to qualify for a National event. Lets bring back the performance aspect of stock and super stock to qualifying.

[Andys dad]

How about 80 entries at every national event - however only 64 qualify - should cut down on entries filling up at grade 8.

AHFS at a 1000' - no matter where you do it - guys will figure a way to maintain an unfair advantage just to try to qualify high.

It is about egos.


Ron

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Gary Parker

So you agree Billy. People are making more horsepower. I don't make the rules, Just live by them. My cast iron intake cast heads made more horsepower 5 years in a row. We may not all agree on the enhancements but them are the rules.

Yes, people are making more HP. But not as much proportionately as the people with a bucket load of "approved replacement parts". Now, let's get to my point and talk about your AFTERMARKET cast iron heads that are carrying 4 and 5 CCs more runner than the OEM head. More HP for 5 years in a row! So the shop doing your STUFF has been manipulating your heads a bit more every year.
Somewhere I saw somebody post "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". Who got "greased" to approve aftermarket heads to replace a 624 casting? Especially in Stock! They're not the least bit rare. They are pretty crack prone and hard to manipulate though.
Now the people who have been "blessed" with these "approved/Improved" parts make bigger HP gains than the "have-nots" and want the indexes moved. These same "blessed" people are complaining because they are "approved" to make more HP and yet they complain when the "rules/AHFS" try and GIVE them more HP.
Sorry Gary, if you don't want the AHFS to GIVE you more HP then please come up with a better and quicker way to make the AHFS GIVE BACK HP (HP welfare) to the have-nots.
It's stuff like this that just goes to prove that the playing field is no longer "level" in Stock.

[Cbrinson47]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

The people whose combos aren't "blessed" with replacement blocks,heads(iron AND aluminum), intakes and carbs. The people whose combos don't respond to roller rockers, solid lifters and replacement pistons and rings that don't even LOOK like the original ones but get approved anyway. The people whose combos are carb, intake or cylinder head restricted. These people are making the same or slightly more HP while still being stuck with, mostly, the same HP factor while all of the combos that DO benefit from all of the above "enhancements" complain that the indexes are too soft.
I can build your brother's combo without using a single part that Chevrolet ever installed on a STOCK (meaning original) 402/375 including the intake and the carb!

GO BACK TO 1971 ENGINE RULES. TODAYS STOCKER ENGINE IS A JOKE !

[Bob Shaw]

I have a good example of how the old factoring system worked.
In 1991 at the Topeka national race early on Friday morning in the cool air with a tail wind
I ran .70 under my 18.50 index and qualified #1. This was with a 86 HP Mercury Lynx. I happened to survive eliminations until Sunday afternoon. Then it was about 95 degrees and a head wind. I dialed the index and could not run it. So NHRA gave me 5 HP which moved me up a class and gave me a 17.25 index. My car was instantly obsolete. Nobody at NHRA was interested in talking to me about what they did.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Bob Shaw

I have a good example of how the old factoring system worked.
In 1991 at the Topeka national race early on Friday morning in the cool air with a tail wind
I ran .70 under my 18.50 index and qualified #1. This was with a 86 HP Mercury Lynx. I happened to survive eliminations until Sunday afternoon. Then it was about 95 degrees and a head wind. I dialed the index and could not run it. So NHRA gave me 5 HP which moved me up a class and gave me a 17.25 index. My car was instantly obsolete. Nobody at NHRA was interested in talking to me about what they did.

Good example Bob! To put this into a little bit better perspective, you were given 5 HP (the minimum that NHRA gave out in "the old days") in a 27.5 pound class! That's a lot of extra weight for a 86HP combo to have to haul around.