1967 Pontiac Firebird

[oldskool]

Continuing with the subject of the thread, I have pics of some '67 birds from back in the old days.

The 1st 5 are of Stockers. #5 is OHC Six powered.

Roy Gay, of Gay Pontiac in Southeast TX, drove a '67 Bird in Super Stock. Don't have any record of times turned or race results.

Another '67 was driven by Tony Knieper. Looks like it may have been sponsored by Gratiot Auto Supply & Stan Long Pontiac. Pic caption says the car held a nat record.

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by oldskool

Continuing with the subject of the thread, I have pics of some '67 birds from back in the old days.

The 1st 5 are of Stockers. #5 is OHC Six powered.

Roy Gay, of Gay Pontiac in Southeast TX, drove a '67 Bird in Super Stock. Don't have any record of times turned or race results.

Another '67 was driven by Tony Knieper. Looks like it may have been sponsored by Gratiot Auto Supply & Stan Long Pontiac. Pic caption says the car held a nat record.

Bottom Center:
Knieper May 1968 SS/FA=9.50 class record, 12.16 at 113.92mph
Pretty sure thats a RamAir at 335hp or 340hp factored.
I'm still guessing on some of the factoring.
I know at some point NHRA started to factor the Firebird engines same as the GTO, figuring that:
1. Everybody had figured out how to get the Qjet to fully open and
2. Everybody ran headers so the exhaust manifold differences were nil.
So at some point, late 1968 or 1969, that 1967 Ram Air was factored to 360hp which bumped it up a class hotter.

In the current class guide, the manual & auto cars are listed at the same weight. But for some reason, in my own edits for "back in the day" I'm adding 54 lb for the T400 trans, as NHRA sometimes does, & sometimes doesnt. Not sure which is right.


BTW - is there a way to tell a RamAir car from a Non-RamAir car?
Since they share the same hood it often isn't clear from the pictures.

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by oldskool

Continuing with the subject of the thread, I have pics of some '67 birds from back in the old days.

The 1st 5 are of Stockers. #5 is OHC Six powered.

Roy Gay, of Gay Pontiac in Southeast TX, drove a '67 Bird in Super Stock. Don't have any record of times turned or race results.

Another '67 was driven by Tony Knieper. Looks like it may have been sponsored by Gratiot Auto Supply & Stan Long Pontiac. Pic caption says the car held a nat record.

Top row left side, the 1015 car my guess for C/SA is 1968 where C/SA=9.00, and the RamAir was already factored to the GTO's 360hp. Adding 56 lb for the T400 trans I get W/P=9.01, a perfect fit to class.

Otherwise, factoring the RamAir engine to 340hp and NOT adding the 56 lb for the T400 trans gives W/P=9.38.

Either way, 1968 seems to be the only year that would fit, or 1973 & newer but the picture just looks "old".

Since today's NHRA class guide does NOT add the 56 lb for the T400 in the Firebird, maybe it was never added. Manufacturers were inconsistent about this - sometimes they add 50 lb or so for an auto trans, sometimes they dont. That's in Today's NHRA Excel files. I dont have the old class guides so guessing a little.