Did this just happen no generators?

Randy Wells · 10-14-2021, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FireSale

100 amps is an old house with no electric heat. Our 60's construction home is all electric and does fine on 150 amps. The dryer is a pair of 120s and I can weld off it OK. Those 70-80 amp Tesla chargers are dedicated 240v deals. Overnight chargers are something like 20 amp and serve most users. Those are nice cars. There were several on the highway through the mountains over the weekend including one entered in competition at Renegade Raceway.Didn't see any massive charging setup. Did see a motor home with a large solar array...

Those overnight chargers work fine when you use your electric vehicle as a novelty, if it is going to be your primary mode of transportation with no Gas vehicle for back up. You will need the 60 to 70 amp Tesla charger, they can fully charge a Tesla in short time not of all night. By the way there are millions of house with 100 amp or less services, along with substations that would not handle the load if everyone owned electric vehicle's, that is simple ohms law. Your dryer circuit is a 2 pole 30A and will not run a Tesla Charger.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

FireSale · 10-14-2021, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Randy Wells

Those overnight chargers work fine when you use your electric vehicle as a novelty, if it is going to be your primary mode of transportation with no Gas vehicle for back up. You will need the 60 to 70 amp Tesla charger, they can fully charge a Tesla in short time not of all night. By the way there are millions of house with 100 amp or less services, along with substations that would not handle the load if everyone owned electric vehicle's, that is simple ohms law. Your dryer circuit is a 2 pole 30A and will not run a Tesla Charger.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

Yes, I would need a separate 240v circuit to run a tier 2 charger. Same to use my welder correctly. My neighbor has similar electrical service and has had several EVs over the years. An early Prius and now a Nissan Leaf. They don't match a Tesla but they do charge off a wall plug for daily driving.
I'm not an EV fan. I like the thump of my SBF sucking through a 4bbl 750, but I understand that there is no "new" gasoline on this planet. It might take 100-200 years but there will come a day when there will be no gas and this discussion will be moot. We won't live to see it, but our descendants will. Better to accept it than make fun of it.

Randy Wells · 10-14-2021, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by FireSale

Yes, I would need a separate 240v circuit to run a tier 2 charger. Same to use my welder correctly. My neighbor has similar electrical service and has had several EVs over the years. An early Prius and now a Nissan Leaf. They don't match a Tesla but they do charge off a wall plug for daily driving.
I'm not an EV fan. I like the thump of my SBF sucking through a 4bbl 750, but I understand that there is no "new" gasoline on this planet. It might take 100-200 years but there will come a day when there will be no gas and this discussion will be moot. We won't live to see it, but our descendants will. Better to accept it than make fun of it.

Not making fun of it and do agree we will get there in the long term, but there is no such thing as perpetual motion, it takes power to make power, HP is rated as Kilo Watts in Europe that makes it easy to see what we are up against, and I can tell you are grid is not ready for everyone owning EV's. If you ordered a 2MVA XFMR today it would take a year or more to get it.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

Glenn Briglio · 10-14-2021, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Randy Wells

Those overnight chargers work fine when you use your electric vehicle as a novelty, if it is going to be your primary mode of transportation with no Gas vehicle for back up. You will need the 60 to 70 amp Tesla charger, they can fully charge a Tesla in short time not of all night. By the way there are millions of house with 100 amp or less services, along with substations that would not handle the load if everyone owned electric vehicle's, that is simple ohms law. Your dryer circuit is a 2 pole 30A and will not run a Tesla Charger.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

What are you burning to make the electrical power????? What amount of earth are you destroying to get the elements to make those batteries ????? What are you doing with those batteries after they are dead ????

Billy Nees · 10-14-2021, 11:40 AM

There will always be oil. It may be made out of seaweed or plankton but it will always be here......... unless we finally decide to get serious about nuclear.

SSDiv6 · 10-14-2021, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

There will always be oil. It may be made out of seaweed or plankton but it will always be here......... unless we finally decide to get serious about nuclear.

You are correct!
Still remember when I lived in Seattle, there was company converting the waste cooking oil from local restaurants into bio-diesel fuel and there were many local pumps selling the bio-fuel at a lower price than the gas stations with the regular diesel fuel.

The only issue I saw was that everytime I would be stopped a traffic light next to a car that used the cooking oil based bio-diesel, I would get hungry for French Fries or Calamari!

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ase-into-fuel/

Frank Castros · 10-14-2021, 01:47 PM

Renewable sources, while having orders of magnitude greater energy content than human society may use up, are not particularly easy to harness, allowing only a small part to be finally harvestable. There are tough technical, environmental and societal problems, all quite significant, that have to be solved and restrictions on its transmission and location of usage have to be followed. It will also require development of “wastetless technology” and recovery and recycle of materials, particularly those which are difficult to win from natural sources and may be in short supply. Thus, in the long run, “renewable energy” will become inevitable, but even this will require a great deal of effort and planning and will not come easy.

Or inexpensively.

Mike Gray · 10-14-2021, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SSDiv6

You are correct!
Still remember when I lived in Seattle, there was company converting the waste cooking oil from local restaurants into bio-diesel fuel and there were many local pumps selling the bio-fuel at a lower price than the gas stations with the regular diesel fuel.

The only issue I saw was that everytime I would be stopped a traffic light next to a car that used the cooking oil based bio-diesel, I would get hungry for French Fries or Calamari!

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ase-into-fuel/

I like this - Collect all the waste oil from In-N-Out and convert it to bio-diesel then run it in my diesel generator in the pits and I will have a bunch of hungry guys looking for the food!.

Billy Nees · 10-14-2021, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Gray

I like this - Collect all the waste oil from In-N-Out and convert it to bio-diesel then run it in my diesel generator in the pits and I will have a bunch of hungry guys looking for the food!.

In the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Pa. area there are "gangs" stealing cooking oil from local restaurants!

Frank Castros · 10-14-2021, 03:14 PM

Can we use human waste for energy?

Northumbrian Water is one company that is now a recognized expert in the use of what it calls "poo power" - using human waste to generate gas and electricity. The water firm was the first in the UK to use all its sludge - the goo generated after raw sewage has been treated - to produce renewable power.

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Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,496 Likes: 3,600 Liked 7,749 Times in 1,741 Posts	Re: Did this just happen no generators? There will always be oil. It may be made out of seaweed or plankton but it will always be here......... unless we finally decide to get serious about nuclear. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

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Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,975 Likes: 2,598 Liked 2,727 Times in 961 Posts	Re: Did this just happen no generators? Renewable sources, while having orders of magnitude greater energy content than human society may use up, are not particularly easy to harness, allowing only a small part to be finally harvestable. There are tough technical, environmental and societal problems, all quite significant, that have to be solved and restrictions on its transmission and location of usage have to be followed. It will also require development of “wastetless technology” and recovery and recycle of materials, particularly those which are difficult to win from natural sources and may be in short supply. Thus, in the long run, “renewable energy” will become inevitable, but even this will require a great deal of effort and planning and will not come easy. Or inexpensively.

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Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,975 Likes: 2,598 Liked 2,727 Times in 961 Posts	Re: Did this just happen no generators? Can we use human waste for energy? Northumbrian Water is one company that is now a recognized expert in the use of what it calls "poo power" - using human waste to generate gas and electricity. The water firm was the first in the UK to use all its sludge - the goo generated after raw sewage has been treated - to produce renewable power.