HOME FORUM RULES CONTACT
     
   
   

Go Back   CLASS RACER FORUM > Class Racer Forums > Stock and Super Stock Tech
Register Photo Gallery FAQ Community Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-13-2021, 12:19 PM   #1
Doug Hoven
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Jersey
Posts: 213
Likes: 195
Liked 869 Times in 165 Posts
Default Re: TorqueHead vs Opti

Quote:
Originally Posted by KRatcliff View Post
The Optispark is considered a front mounted distributor, but a stock LT1 from GM comes with both a crank sensor and a cam sensor. Thus my comment when I quoted the rule book that an LT1 should be allowed to run a crank trigger since it comes with one from the factory.

The rule book is a bit out dated, but how can you not allow a car in the guide to run the same equipment as it came from the factory? Would tech bounce a purely stock LT1 because it has a crank sensor?
I do understand the argument that you could consider a crank trigger as being some sort of crank position sensor. The issue is that the crank sensor was not used to fire the ignition in Lt1 cars. Lt1's weren't actually fitted with a crank sensor until 1996. The computer still is only using the camshaft position, determined by the optical sensor behind the distributor cap, to fire both the spark and injectors. The crankshaft position was actually fitted to detect any misfires by using crankshaft speed and position to determine if there is a slight drop in crank speed at a certain interval.
__________________
1189 F/SA
Defunzalo Racing Enterprises
Doug Hoven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2021, 12:39 PM   #2
Adger Smith
VIP Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Texarkana Ark/TX
Posts: 2,446
Likes: 575
Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts
Default Re: TorqueHead vs Opti

When did Pat become the National Tech director?
Sometimes it takes a long hard look at the wording and punctuation of the rule &
understanding the function of the factory systems
I would to go to the top to get the correct/final answer
__________________
Adger Smith (Former SS)

Last edited by Adger Smith; 11-13-2021 at 12:41 PM.
Adger Smith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2021, 07:14 PM   #3
RJ Sledge
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 790
Likes: 505
Liked 292 Times in 92 Posts
Default Re: TorqueHead vs Opti

....and whom are you referring too...?

RJ
RJ Sledge is offline   Reply With Quote
Liked
Old 11-13-2021, 10:12 PM   #4
SSDiv6
VIP Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Glendale, Arizona
Posts: 3,045
Likes: 712
Liked 1,605 Times in 583 Posts
Default Re: TorqueHead vs Opti

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adger Smith View Post
When did Pat become the National Tech director?
Sometimes it takes a long hard look at the wording and punctuation of the rule &
understanding the function of the factory systems
I would to go to the top to get the correct/final answer
Every time I am at a standstill with the Glendora office, I reach out to the Tim White, NHRA's Senior Director Of Engineering.

Tim worked for Delphi, Cummins and Penske Racing prior to joining NHRA. I have always enjoyed the technical subject conversations that have taken place with Tim and he has always backed up his responses with an email.
SSDiv6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Liked
Old 11-15-2021, 11:22 AM   #5
GUMP
VIP Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Shelby, NC
Posts: 1,828
Likes: 2,181
Liked 2,361 Times in 558 Posts
Default Re: TorqueHead vs Opti

The part numbers for the LT1 crank sensor.

12552427 Timing Cover

10190917 Reluctor Wheel

19170837 Crank Sensor

I have forwarded this to Pat for his consideration.
GUMP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2021, 06:18 PM   #6
Mark Lewis
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 351
Likes: 64
Liked 209 Times in 46 Posts
Default Re: TorqueHead vs Opti

I got a call from Pat wanting to know if I ran a crank trigger, supposedly called several other racers wanting to know the same.
Time will tell what will happen. thanks Dan,
Mark Lewis is online now   Reply With Quote
Liked
Old 11-15-2021, 06:32 PM   #7
Bill Moulding
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: TorqueHead vs Opti

...

Last edited by Bill Moulding; 11-15-2021 at 07:01 PM.
Bill Moulding is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2021, 11:04 PM   #8
Jim Whitehead
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: MA.
Posts: 288
Likes: 154
Liked 150 Times in 41 Posts
Default Re: TorqueHead vs Opti

Pat called me today.
Jim Whitehead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2021, 12:44 AM   #9
Dan Fahey
VIP Member
 
Dan Fahey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,128
Likes: 1,084
Liked 184 Times in 113 Posts
Default Re: TorqueHead vs Opti

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Lewis View Post
I got a call from Pat wanting to know if I ran a crank trigger, supposedly called several other racers wanting to know the same.
Time will tell what will happen. thanks Dan,
One way or another the vagueness in the rule will be written with clarity.
NHRA does it all the time.

Stock Eliminator does not lend well with the aftermarket industry.
Should be some sort of rule allowing bolt on upgrades.
Crate Motor offered some of that.
Like allowing under used engines such as big Caddy engines in BOP cars.
Bolt on 4bbls like on the mid70/80 Mustangs and Monzas.
Under used Ford 300cuin 6 with a 4bbl.
Or for that matter let the 6 cylinder AMC guys have the better heads.
Or flattop Pistons for the Low compression BOP cars.
74 Firebird with 10:1 compression would be a A stocker.
Much like Pure Stock Drags and FAST do.

Just my 2 cents
Dan Fahey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2021, 01:14 AM   #10
Bill Grubbs
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Magnolia, Texas
Posts: 416
Likes: 3
Liked 564 Times in 66 Posts
Default Re: TorqueHead vs Opti

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Fahey View Post
Crate Motor offered some of that.
Like allowing under used engines such as big Caddy engines in BOP cars.
Bolt on 4bbls like on the mid70/80 Mustangs and Monzas.
Under used Ford 300cuin 6 with a 4bbl.
Or for that matter let the 6 cylinder AMC guys have the better heads.
Or flattop Pistons for the Low compression BOP cars.
74 Firebird with 10:1 compression would be a A stocker.
Much like Pure Stock Drags and FAST do.

Just my 2 cents
Dan, Please go race Crate Motor. Numerous people have tried to help you. You just don’t seem to be very receptive.

Bill
Bill Grubbs is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:30 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright Class Racer.com. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners.