Factory X

1347 · 12-06-2021, 12:41 PM

Could this new class replace Pro Stock? Pro stock fans have been bitching that the Pro Stock class has become not very relevant, especially when they went to the rule you can run a Chevrolet engine in any manufacturer body. Many people I know who are Ford fans wrote the class off after that. Many were hoping that Factory stock shootout cars would replace Pro Stock. Maybe after a year of exhibition, they will put the remaining Pro Stock cars into Pro Mod and we will go back to a time when Pro Stock had all 3 brands with recognizable bodies and engines that are more aligned with something available from the manufacturer. Even with the price of these cars, I think they will still be cheaper than a current Pro Stock car.
I am hoping thats where this is going. I wasnt old enough to remember home built pro stocks, but by the time I became a fan in the late 70s, it was sort of where Factory X will be.

doglover44 · 12-06-2021, 01:02 PM

Any ideas or examples of what a Factory X car will look like?

Dyno · 12-06-2021, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by doglover44

Any ideas or examples of what a Factory X car will look like?

They are supposed to be the same as the cars at the dealership, except lower and with a bigger tire on the back.

Superfan1 · 12-06-2021, 04:57 PM

According to this article, the NHRA plans to maintain parity in Factory X through engine changes. Hopefully, they will be carefully and thoughtfully considered before any changes are made.

https://www.competitionplus.com/drag...hrough-engines

Carguy49 · 12-06-2021, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 1347

Could this new class replace Pro Stock? Pro stock fans have been bitching that the Pro Stock class has become not very relevant, especially when they went to the rule you can run a Chevrolet engine in any manufacturer body. Many people I know who are Ford fans wrote the class off after that. Many were hoping that Factory stock shootout cars would replace Pro Stock. Maybe after a year of exhibition, they will put the remaining Pro Stock cars into Pro Mod and we will go back to a time when Pro Stock had all 3 brands with recognizable bodies and engines that are more aligned with something available from the manufacturer. Even with the price of these cars, I think they will still be cheaper than a current Pro Stock car.
I am hoping thats where this is going. I wasnt old enough to remember home built pro stocks, but by the time I became a fan in the late 70s, it was sort of where Factory X will be.

Duane, I like the way you think. I have followed Pro Stock since the beginning and don't like what it has become. This class could become the new Pro Stock and be fun to watch, IF NHRA doesn't ruin it.

BG56 · 12-06-2021, 06:14 PM

[QUOTE=1347;653383]Could this new class replace Pro Stock? Pro stock fans have been bitching that the Pro Stock class has become not very relevant, especially when they went to the rule you can run a Chevrolet engine in any manufacturer body. Many people I know who are Ford fans wrote the class off after that. Many were hoping that Factory stock shootout cars would replace Pro Stock. Maybe after a year of exhibition, they will put the remaining Pro Stock cars into Pro Mod and we will go back to a time when Pro Stock had all 3 brands with recognizable bodies and engines that are more aligned with something available from the manufacturer. Even with the price of these cars, I think they will still be cheaper than a current Pro Stock car.
I am hoping thats where this is going. I wasnt old enough to remember home built pro stocks, but by the time I became a fan in the late 70s, it was sort of where Factory X will be. I don't see how PS can run in PM, they're roughly one second behind. Maybe allow power adders? (If that's what you meant)

1347 · 12-06-2021, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 1347

Could this new class replace Pro Stock? Pro stock fans have been bitching that the Pro Stock class has become not very relevant, especially when they went to the rule you can run a Chevrolet engine in any manufacturer body. Many people I know who are Ford fans wrote the class off after that. Many were hoping that Factory stock shootout cars would replace Pro Stock. Maybe after a year of exhibition, they will put the remaining Pro Stock cars into Pro Mod and we will go back to a time when Pro Stock had all 3 brands with recognizable bodies and engines that are more aligned with something available from the manufacturer. Even with the price of these cars, I think they will still be cheaper than a current Pro Stock car.
I am hoping thats where this is going. I wasnt old enough to remember home built pro stocks, but by the time I became a fan in the late 70s, it was sort of where Factory X will be. I don't see how PS can run in PM, they're roughly one second behind. Maybe allow power adders? (If that's what you meant)

I'm sure they can figure something out, power adders, weight break etc.

Rose Racing · 12-07-2021, 08:17 AM

[QUOTE=1347;653413]

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Originally Posted by BG56

I'm sure they can figure something out, power adders, weight break etc.

Just put em in Comp... they are a classic B/A

SS/GSI · 12-07-2021, 02:56 PM

The creation of Factory A/X may have been a good idea to entice the "street outlaw", "all out" 10.5" crowd and racers; however given the lack of rules and precise limitations by NHRA for these cars, it will surely spiral out of control before it gains any sort of stability. First off, a 2650# A/X car would need to be mainly built out of Tube Chassis, CF and/or some sort of light weight composite materials. The factory CJ, Camaro and Challenger weigh 4000#'s +/-(no driver) from the factory; therefore over 1500#'s will have to be taken out of the car...bye bye any and all sheet metal not "prohibited" to remove in the rulebook. Must retain front headlight and rear taillight "factory" locations...WOW cant wait to see those stencils/templates to measure for location accuracy...especially with "no tech". The cherry on top...parity rules and NHRA analyzing the incrementals...well we all have been witness to how that worked out for FS!!! How many FS CJ's are parked and collecting dust due to the have not's complaining their way into being competitive vs them! The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result!!! My hats off to Mr. Holbrook, Mr. Turk and all others taking on this racing venture...I really hope I am wrong here and you guys receive the platform you work hard for and deserve.

I imagine that all of us would have hoped for a class that did not allow for outside influence from trailing manufacturers/teams and/or within a realistic budget for an experimental class.

These cars will easily exceed $400-$500k budget wise to be competitive.

I believe a NA class with the 426, 427 & 428ci combos @ 3000#'s, spec oversized TB with the full steel body, back halved with some updates in chassis, while retaining the factory car(like SS) would have been more in tuned with fans and racers...kinda like Lambs Copo, Richards and Skillmans SS CJ's, Jones DP, etc...IMHO

1347 · 12-07-2021, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SS/GSI

The creation of Factory A/X may have been a good idea to entice the "street outlaw", "all out" 10.5" crowd and racers; however given the lack of rules and precise limitations by NHRA for these cars, it will surely spiral out of control before it gains any sort of stability. First off, a 2650# A/X car would need to be mainly built out of Tube Chassis, CF and/or some sort of light weight composite materials. The factory CJ, Camaro and Challenger weigh 4000#'s +/-(no driver) from the factory; therefore over 1500#'s will have to be taken out of the car...bye bye any and all sheet metal not "prohibited" to remove in the rulebook. Must retain front headlight and rear taillight "factory" locations...WOW cant wait to see those stencils/templates to measure for location accuracy...especially with "no tech". The cherry on top...parity rules and NHRA analyzing the incrementals...well we all have been witness to how that worked out for FS!!! How many FS CJ's are parked and collecting dust due to the have not's complaining their way into being competitive vs them! The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result!!! My hats off to Mr. Holbrook, Mr. Turk and all others taking on this racing venture...I really hope I am wrong here and you guys receive the platform you work hard for and deserve.

I imagine that all of us would have hoped for a class that did not allow for outside influence from trailing manufacturers/teams and/or within a realistic budget for an experimental class.

These cars will easily exceed $400-$500k budget wise to be competitive.

I believe a NA class with the 426, 427 & 428ci combos @ 3000#'s, spec oversized TB with the full steel body, back halved with some updates in chassis, while retaining the factory car(like SS) would have been more in tuned with fans and racers...kinda like Lambs Copo, Richards and Skillmans SS CJ's, Jones DP, etc...IMHO

A Factory Stock Shootout car is close to 3500 with driver. I believe they also have to retain the factory taillights and taillight panel, headlights grill and bumper cover. The car will have to meet some kind if a factory template. How close does rhe current Pro Stock meet a factory template.

If you can bring half the 10.5 outlaw fans and street outlaw fans to watch an NHRA race I think it will be a success if you think thats their goal.

12-06-2021, 12:41 PM	#1
1347 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Monroe Twp NJ Posts: 505 Likes: 1,034 Liked 996 Times in 275 Posts	Re: Factory X Could this new class replace Pro Stock? Pro stock fans have been bitching that the Pro Stock class has become not very relevant, especially when they went to the rule you can run a Chevrolet engine in any manufacturer body. Many people I know who are Ford fans wrote the class off after that. Many were hoping that Factory stock shootout cars would replace Pro Stock. Maybe after a year of exhibition, they will put the remaining Pro Stock cars into Pro Mod and we will go back to a time when Pro Stock had all 3 brands with recognizable bodies and engines that are more aligned with something available from the manufacturer. Even with the price of these cars, I think they will still be cheaper than a current Pro Stock car. I am hoping thats where this is going. I wasnt old enough to remember home built pro stocks, but by the time I became a fan in the late 70s, it was sort of where Factory X will be. __________________ Duane Hoven 1342 SS/GT

12-06-2021, 01:02 PM	#2
doglover44 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New Carlisle OH Posts: 1,386 Likes: 4 Liked 489 Times in 227 Posts	Re: Factory X Any ideas or examples of what a Factory X car will look like? __________________ Jake Biermann

12-06-2021, 04:57 PM	#4
Superfan1 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bridgeport,CT. Posts: 1,993 Likes: 1,665 Liked 2,637 Times in 440 Posts	Re: Factory X According to this article, the NHRA plans to maintain parity in Factory X through engine changes. Hopefully, they will be carefully and thoughtfully considered before any changes are made. https://www.competitionplus.com/drag...hrough-engines __________________ Bill Seabrooks - superfan1 Bridgeport, CT

12-06-2021, 06:14 PM	#6
BG56 Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 351 Likes: 499 Liked 294 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Factory X [QUOTE=1347;653383]Could this new class replace Pro Stock? Pro stock fans have been bitching that the Pro Stock class has become not very relevant, especially when they went to the rule you can run a Chevrolet engine in any manufacturer body. Many people I know who are Ford fans wrote the class off after that. Many were hoping that Factory stock shootout cars would replace Pro Stock. Maybe after a year of exhibition, they will put the remaining Pro Stock cars into Pro Mod and we will go back to a time when Pro Stock had all 3 brands with recognizable bodies and engines that are more aligned with something available from the manufacturer. Even with the price of these cars, I think they will still be cheaper than a current Pro Stock car. I am hoping thats where this is going. I wasnt old enough to remember home built pro stocks, but by the time I became a fan in the late 70s, it was sort of where Factory X will be. I don't see how PS can run in PM, they're roughly one second behind. Maybe allow power adders? (If that's what you meant)

12-07-2021, 02:56 PM	#9
SS/GSI Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 292 Likes: 79 Liked 759 Times in 109 Posts	Re: Factory X The creation of Factory A/X may have been a good idea to entice the "street outlaw", "all out" 10.5" crowd and racers; however given the lack of rules and precise limitations by NHRA for these cars, it will surely spiral out of control before it gains any sort of stability. First off, a 2650# A/X car would need to be mainly built out of Tube Chassis, CF and/or some sort of light weight composite materials. The factory CJ, Camaro and Challenger weigh 4000#'s +/-(no driver) from the factory; therefore over 1500#'s will have to be taken out of the car...bye bye any and all sheet metal not "prohibited" to remove in the rulebook. Must retain front headlight and rear taillight "factory" locations...WOW cant wait to see those stencils/templates to measure for location accuracy...especially with "no tech". The cherry on top...parity rules and NHRA analyzing the incrementals...well we all have been witness to how that worked out for FS!!! How many FS CJ's are parked and collecting dust due to the have not's complaining their way into being competitive vs them! The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result!!! My hats off to Mr. Holbrook, Mr. Turk and all others taking on this racing venture...I really hope I am wrong here and you guys receive the platform you work hard for and deserve. I imagine that all of us would have hoped for a class that did not allow for outside influence from trailing manufacturers/teams and/or within a realistic budget for an experimental class. These cars will easily exceed $400-$500k budget wise to be competitive. I believe a NA class with the 426, 427 & 428ci combos @ 3000#'s, spec oversized TB with the full steel body, back halved with some updates in chassis, while retaining the factory car(like SS) would have been more in tuned with fans and racers...kinda like Lambs Copo, Richards and Skillmans SS CJ's, Jones DP, etc...IMHO Attached Thumbnails __________________ Kevin Gaffney 1123 SS/GA Last edited by SS/GSI; 12-07-2021 at 03:11 PM.