Can We Un-ring The Bell

[Dyno]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

I'd like to see them go back to no data loggers can be connected during eliminations AND NO GRIDS! I'd ALSO like to see Tech arbitrarily swapping out Racers ignition boxes.

Billy, can you explain why you do not like data loggers? After a pass I like to be able to see what my oil pressure was in the lights, the convertor slippage, what the convertor flashed and a couple of other things. It doesn"t make me a better driver, but it might help make the engine last a little longer.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Dyno

Billy, can you explain why you do not like data loggers? After a pass I like to be able to see what my oil pressure was in the lights, the convertor slippage, what the convertor flashed and a couple of other things. It doesn"t make me a better driver, but it might help make the engine last a little longer.

Standing by...

[GUMP]

Funny thing, I used my data logger to prove I wasn't doing sneaky things at Indy.....

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dyno

Billy, can you explain why you do not like data loggers? After a pass I like to be able to see what my oil pressure was in the lights, the convertor slippage, what the convertor flashed and a couple of other things. It doesn"t make me a better driver, but it might help make the engine last a little longer.

Ok, I'm quite sure that someone will correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not), but can a stand alone data logger in conjunction with a grid and a digital ignition box NOT be used as a down-track timer (the last I knew, not legal)? If it CAN, then it CAN be used to control timing and fuel (and in some cases throttle control) to give the Racer a desired elapsed time.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ok, I'm quite sure that someone will correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not), but can a stand alone data logger in conjunction with a grid and a digital ignition box NOT be used as a down-track timer (the last I knew, not legal)? If it CAN, then it CAN be used to control timing and fuel (and in some cases throttle control) to give the Racer a desired elapsed time.

I know that this is a big concern for you. How prevalent do you really think it is?

Maybe random review of data by tech would help ease your mind?

[e vassar]

Originally Posted by GUMP

I know that this is a big concern for you. How prevalent do you really think it is?

Maybe random review of data by tech would help ease your mind?

I thought the thread was about roller rockers and sold lifters etc. But this is about out and out CHEATING.
You know what they say.... cheaters gonna cheat...so if you remove legal electronic boxes that can be modified to cheat.....then wouldn't the cheaters just use a smaller box well hidden?

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by e vassar

I thought the thread was about roller rockers and sold lifters etc. But this is about out and out CHEATING.

Ya know, a long,long time ago, roll-out counters and delay boxes weren't "CHEATING". They were perfectly legal because NHRA didn't know what they were or that they even existed.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by GUMP

I know that this is a big concern for you. How prevalent do you really think it is?

Maybe random review of data by tech would help ease your mind?

Daren, I was hoping that you would respond.
In answer to the first part of your question, I'll ask you a simple question, do you think that there are Racers taking advantage of the rules (cheating) when it comes to their engine combination? Do you think that certain Racers would "manipulate" a situation if it could give them an un-fair advantage over the competition?

I would have to say that a "random review" of a LOT of things both under the car and under the dash would "help ease my mind".

This IS the 21st century!

[rognelson777]

ignition boxes. how about run stock ignition. points and condenser if that is what it came with. As a person that was considering getting in to stock racing a few years ago, after looking at the rules decided not to and all i needed was to build a motor and upgrade clutch.car run under index as it was setup but not much more. I find it interesting that you better have the correct hood on your car for the combination you run but you can run almost any ignition you want.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Daren, I was hoping that you would respond.
In answer to the first part of your question, I'll ask you a simple question, do you think that there are Racers taking advantage of the rules (cheating) when it comes to their engine combination?

You know that's a loaded question!! I think that the vast majority of racers would pass a teardown.

Do you think that certain Racers would "manipulate" a situation if it could give them an un-fair advantage over the competition?

There are a lot of legal ways to manipulate a situation. They are open to every racer.

I would have to say that a "random review" of a LOT of things both under the car and under the dash would "help ease my mind".

I am for that too. I think that it would be healthy for the class if Tech would take a look at racers data from time to time. I had no issue sharing all of my run data at Indy. To me, that makes a lot more sense than chasing wires.

This IS the 21st century!

Yes it is! We live in a time where there is so much real-time information available to us that a cheater should be pretty easy to spot.

Personally, I still feel that I beat myself way too much to worry about the guy in the other lane!