C-11

Rose Racing · 01-20-2022, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Meyer

Not trying to slam anybody trying run on a budget, class racing cost money and I would be more concerned with the price of towing verse the price of race gas, Why after spend all the time building the best motor you can then try to get by on the inconsistent of the and quality of pump gas? I guess flame away. Tom

Because almost 1000 dollars for a barrel of fuel is BullS%$$ period idc if its liquid gold..... Im waiting till I place my Rockett 112 order here eventually and see how Rockett(Union76) fares for me

Bill Grubbs · 01-20-2022, 10:40 PM

Forgive me if I am ignorant. Where is this $1000 drum of fuel? I see where people have posted about $100 pails (5 gallons). The smaller the quantity the greater the cost per gallon. It has always been that way. We buy multiple drums at a time. This way the shipping costs is shared among the entire shipment. Over the last few years the shipping has gone up more than the fuel (percentage wise). Shipping costs of a single pail/barrel versus multiple barrels is almost negligible.

I do agree fuel per pass is probably one of the cheapest performance costs in racing, especially if you amortize the costs for everything we buy/use for racing (car, engine, transmissions, motorhome, truck, trailer, hotel, food, beer, etc...) Heck some racers have more in their paint jobs than Billy has in his entire operation

Ultimately each person must decide what their price point is for racing or performance and what their goals are. Billy's price point is probably the lowest of all current racers, but then again he is focused on performance gains vs cents not dollars. If he wanted to build an AA/SA '69 Camaro everybody else would probably want change classes/combinations. Thankfully Billy has different goals/views on racing and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Billy Nees · 01-21-2022, 08:22 AM

Why thank you Bill, that's quite a compliment!

Billy Nees · 01-21-2022, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rose Racing

Because almost 1000 dollars for a barrel of fuel is BullS%$$ period idc if its liquid gold..... Im waiting till I place my Rockett 112 order here eventually and see how Rockett(Union76) fares for me

Why should you be concerned about 1K/barrel fuel? You're going to be running a 302/2V am I right? Put blue Sunoco in it and call it a day!

Ron Ortiz · 01-21-2022, 10:45 AM

Price of fuel is going to go up, sometimes I wonder how long does fuel stay "fresh" to pass fuel check over time. Have had fuel that was over 8 months old that passed and failed, have had fuel pass and not pass after a week.

Mike Taylor 3601 · 01-21-2022, 01:07 PM

yes VP has went up,but it never was cheap... I have new price list in, a email, but I haven't printed it...Everything has increased in price....
I have used C-11 for many years and never failed fuel check,that wasn't my own fault..
you can't leave it in the cell or a fuel jug between races... I have kept in a barrel or can for 2 years and pass... some was going on 3 years(,last of a barrel) old got borderline..I may switch to C-12 this year if works good for me,save close to $100.00 a barrel over C-11

Frank Beasley · 01-22-2022, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Taylor 3601

yes VP has went up,but it never was cheap... I have new price list in, a email, but I haven't printed it...Everything has increased in price....
I have used C-11 for many years and never failed fuel check,that wasn't my own fault..
you can't leave it in the cell or a fuel jug between races... I have kept in a barrel or can for 2 years and pass... some was going on 3 years(,last of a barrel) old got borderline..I may switch to C-12 this year if works good for me,save close to $100.00 a barrel over C-11

That yellow car ran quicker on C12 for me.

Casey Miles · 01-23-2022, 05:46 PM

I get C12 right from a pump at a VP distribution center, the other day I got 15 gallons of fuel and it was $13. a gallon. Since I had seen this link, I asked how much C11 was which they only sell in the pail, it was $102.50. That's just over $20. a gallon, you have to ask yourself if it's worth the slight performance difference over C12 or C10.

Casey Miles
248H Stock

Bench Racer · 01-24-2022, 09:03 PM

Just a little off subject but what is the current price for a 5 gallon can of c-16?

Rose Racing · 01-21-2022, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Why should you be concerned about 1K/barrel fuel? You're going to be running a 302/2V am I right? Put blue Sunoco in it and call it a day!

I was just saying in general Billy... lol and idk how much is Sunoco Blue for a barrel? I havent priced anything yet as I dont have heat and dont wanna have fuel sitting around here with large temperature changes in the garage... But in general the prices of any racing gasoline are getting crazy but im not VP is getting out of hand but thats just me....

01-20-2022, 10:40 PM	#2
Bill Grubbs Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Magnolia, Texas Posts: 417 Likes: 3 Liked 573 Times in 67 Posts	Re: C-11 Forgive me if I am ignorant. Where is this $1000 drum of fuel? I see where people have posted about $100 pails (5 gallons). The smaller the quantity the greater the cost per gallon. It has always been that way. We buy multiple drums at a time. This way the shipping costs is shared among the entire shipment. Over the last few years the shipping has gone up more than the fuel (percentage wise). Shipping costs of a single pail/barrel versus multiple barrels is almost negligible. I do agree fuel per pass is probably one of the cheapest performance costs in racing, especially if you amortize the costs for everything we buy/use for racing (car, engine, transmissions, motorhome, truck, trailer, hotel, food, beer, etc...) Heck some racers have more in their paint jobs than Billy has in his entire operation Ultimately each person must decide what their price point is for racing or performance and what their goals are. Billy's price point is probably the lowest of all current racers, but then again he is focused on performance gains vs cents not dollars. If he wanted to build an AA/SA '69 Camaro everybody else would probably want change classes/combinations. Thankfully Billy has different goals/views on racing and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

01-21-2022, 08:22 AM	#3
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,512 Likes: 3,621 Liked 7,908 Times in 1,754 Posts	Re: C-11 Why thank you Bill, that's quite a compliment! __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

01-21-2022, 10:45 AM	#5
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 990 Likes: 36 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: C-11 Price of fuel is going to go up, sometimes I wonder how long does fuel stay "fresh" to pass fuel check over time. Have had fuel that was over 8 months old that passed and failed, have had fuel pass and not pass after a week. __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

01-21-2022, 01:07 PM	#6
Mike Taylor 3601 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somerset,Ky Posts: 1,380 Likes: 371 Liked 319 Times in 108 Posts	Re: C-11 yes VP has went up,but it never was cheap... I have new price list in, a email, but I haven't printed it...Everything has increased in price.... I have used C-11 for many years and never failed fuel check,that wasn't my own fault.. you can't leave it in the cell or a fuel jug between races... I have kept in a barrel or can for 2 years and pass... some was going on 3 years(,last of a barrel) old got borderline..I may switch to C-12 this year if works good for me,save close to $100.00 a barrel over C-11

01-23-2022, 05:46 PM	#8
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 706 Likes: 128 Liked 508 Times in 92 Posts	Re: C-11 I get C12 right from a pump at a VP distribution center, the other day I got 15 gallons of fuel and it was $13. a gallon. Since I had seen this link, I asked how much C11 was which they only sell in the pail, it was $102.50. That's just over $20. a gallon, you have to ask yourself if it's worth the slight performance difference over C12 or C10. Casey Miles 248H Stock

01-24-2022, 09:03 PM	#9
Bench Racer Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Green Creek (Tryon) North Carolina Posts: 331 Likes: 69 Liked 99 Times in 21 Posts	Re: C-11 Just a little off subject but what is the current price for a 5 gallon can of c-16?