Stick verses Automatic (Stock Eliminator)

[L79racer]

I was thinking of going over to an auto from a stick but, now I have to re think this after reading Rorys' post. I would hate to loose 4 to 6 mph and almost a 1/2 second. Has anybody else gone from a stick to an auto and lost et and mph?

[Bob Gullett]

I ran my Nova (327-275)with a Powerglide for 20 years before changing to a stick. It uses a Jerico with an Advanced Clutches dual 7 inch clutch. While I cannot give an accurate difference between the 2 combinations, the stick was worth I figure 25 hundreths to 3 tenths and approx 3 MPH.

[Tim H]

Originally Posted by L79racer

I was thinking of going over to an auto from a stick but, now I have to re think this after reading Rorys' post. I would hate to loose 4 to 6 mph and almost a 1/2 second. Has anybody else gone from a stick to an auto and lost et and mph?

Don't forget he changed rear gear also !

[Jesse Knapp]

Good responses here. Quite informative for me. As I said in the original thread, I used Bobby's car as the example b/c that is the combo I am interested in. With the higher mph the stick makes, the better quality clutches and trannys available, and a really good driver, one that can shift it like an auto does, I would think the stick would go quicker. I keep thinking about the mph thing and I thought that tells you about the power you're making. I also used stock eliminator b/c it's a footbrake car. In superstock I think the transbrake might equalize things. I know that when I let go of the button, when racing my car, it felt like I was dumping a clutch. Thank all for the participation. That's the purpose of this board. Jesse

[L79racer]

Originally Posted by Jesse Knapp

Good responses here. Quite informative for me. As I said in the original thread, I used Bobby's car as the example b/c that is the combo I am interested in. With the higher mph the stick makes, the better quality clutches and trannys available, and a really good driver, one that can shift it like an auto does, I would think the stick would go quicker. I keep thinking about the mph thing and I thought that tells you about the power you're making. I also used stock eliminator b/c it's a footbrake car. In superstock I think the transbrake might equalize things. I know that when I let go of the button, when racing my car, it felt like I was dumping a clutch. Thank all for the participation. That's the purpose of this board. Jesse

What is the difference in your 60' times from footbrake to transbrake??

[Jesse Knapp]

Originally Posted by L79racer

What is the difference in your 60' times from footbrake to transbrake??

My car was a superstock camaro. I used a glide with a brake. Never footbraked it. Previously that same car was a footbrake bracket racer. I had a 350 smallblock, a large Holley, high compression, and a turbo 350. Totally different combos, nothing to compare. Superstock engine was much stronger, partly from much more rpm. Jesse

[Jesse Knapp]

I always thought there was some power loss with an automatic, kinda like a bit of drag on the engine, possibly causing the lower mph. I would think the stick frees the engine to rpm quicker. In superstock that brake might offset this loss somewhat with a harder launch. Any thoughts on this? Sticks are sounding more interesting to me. Just don't know about driving, or more imporntantly, launching one with a good light. Jesse

[Chris Hill]

Per listening to the top stock guys from a few years ago, they felt the stick was a disadvantage over an automatic. They would have traction issues on 1-2 shifts as the 9" tire could not take any more.

For our six pac cars, if we can move the first car length with issue, were generally going to have a good run. I don't think the high hp stockers can say that.

Jeff, with todays good clutches and transmissions, can the violence of the 1-2 shift be adjusted?

Thanks,

[Ray Todd]

automatic cars can use radials and stick cars use bias, the hoosier radial measures up to 10 inches wide while hoosier bias tire is closer to 8 inches wide. this is an advantage for a automatic.

[Greg Barsamian]

There's absoluty nothing compared to the sights & sounds of a "Stick car" rowing thru the gears.

To quote one of the best "stick guy's" on the planet!
"No Girlymatics"