The mines are now closed (AHFS)

[Kdw1403]

One good thing about have a slow car (index wise) like mine is you don’t have to worry about hitting your own combo. 😆😆 lol somebody else did that for me years ago.

[Frank Castros]

Re: Ahfs
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Castros View Post
Eliminate the scrutiny and lower the indexes .10
It's long overdue.

rboyle: That's just dumb.

So now it's okay? Based on your like of Yac's post.

[rboyle]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

Re: Ahfs
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Castros View Post
Eliminate the scrutiny and lower the indexes .10
It's long overdue.

rboyle: That's just dumb.

So now it's okay? Based on your like of Yac's post.

Geez Frank, sensitive? I liked the part about "I see more sandbagging, how is this going to help?" I still don't think shaving a tenth off of evverybody's index is a smart idea. It makes a second under car a 90 under car or mYbe not even but a guy that can barely run the index (which you must dial at minimum) is now non competitive. My division has at least 3 or 4 cars that have trouble running the index but they remain competitive but if they are now a tenth further away from it they are dialing a number they can't run.
So number 1 Qualifier is now still number 1 but a tenth slower and numbers 87-91 Qualifiers can't run the number at all.
That was the dumb part!

[Frank Castros]

Originally Posted by rboyle

Geez Frank, sensitive? I liked the part about "I see more sandbagging, how is this going to help?" I still don't think shaving a tenth off of evverybody's index is a smart idea. It makes a second under car a 90 under car or mYbe not even but a guy that can barely run the index (which you must dial at minimum) is now non competitive. My division has at least 3 or 4 cars that have trouble running the index but they remain competitive but if they are now a tenth further away from it they are dialing a number they can't run.
So number 1 Qualifier is now still number 1 but a tenth slower and numbers 87-91 Qualifiers can't run the number at all.
That was the dumb part!

Sensitive? Not so much. I still disagree with you however I have great respect for you and other racers and understand your point of view. Especially the competitive jungle of D1.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by rboyle

Geez Frank, sensitive? I liked the part about "I see more sandbagging, how is this going to help?" I still don't think shaving a tenth off of evverybody's index is a smart idea. It makes a second under car a 90 under car or mYbe not even but a guy that can barely run the index (which you must dial at minimum) is now non competitive. My division has at least 3 or 4 cars that have trouble running the index but they remain competitive but if they are now a tenth further away from it they are dialing a number they can't run.
So number 1 Qualifier is now still number 1 but a tenth slower and numbers 87-91 Qualifiers can't run the number at all.
That was the dumb part!

Actually, I suggested a couple of tenths..Realistically it should be 5.

I just looked and the Div 1 Stock Q results for the season. I see one guy with a good combo that's running about 2 tenths under at every race.I don't know what his game is. He's run fast before in other cars.He must be using a Target motor or something.
.I see a very few new names at the bottom and some with mechanical issues.
Billy's current ride has a long block right out of the junkyard, and he can run 5 tenths under.

Almost every day we hear that S/SS is a performance based eliminator. Also we MUST have heads -up runs in the eliminator.
But then we hear that lowering the indexes 2 tenths and keeping the triggers at the same value , to keep pace with progress, is a dumb idea.
Rich, I don't know how long you've been at this, and I know some of the newer guys don't like to hear about the good old days, but try this:
In 1978, I was fortunate to be in a divisional final. Myself and the other guy were the the only two cars to run on or under the index, for the entire event.
Today, those combos can run a full second under the index.
I guess you never drove 1000 miles to Gainesville with a S/S car and qualified 34th in a 32 car field. gee..Much too hard. I should have quit then. ;-)

How about we lower the indexes 2 tenths and then , for the guys at the bottom, over the index, we give them a participation trophy?
Then we can watch the rest of the cars run all the way to the 1320?

[Rory McNeil]

Mark, the 2 tenths that NHRA took off EVERYBODYS Indexs, (Not just the guys with "approved" aftermarket heads, intake manifolds, camshafts, carbs etc) was supposed to allow the fast guys to "all the way to 1320", but that didn`t seem to be the case, did it?

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

Mark, the 2 tenths that NHRA took off EVERYBODYS Indexs, (Not just the guys with "approved" aftermarket heads, intake manifolds, camshafts, carbs etc) was supposed to allow the fast guys to "all the way to 1320", but that didn`t seem to be the case, did it?

Nope, not now, but how long ago was that?
I believe it should be pre-programmed every few years..and NO goodies, such as aluminum heads, and then re-evaluated.
Oh, and put the FX cars at advertised hp..not at a charity case rating.

[bubski]

What Bubski is taking away from these AHFS changes are 1. A racer can run amok for a long time legal or not and beat up the average without a system of checks and balances like was in place previously !! 2. Its also a way out of teching a car for an infraction on the index on a Saturday or Sunday in the middle of the race so the tech people don't have to bother with extensive tear downs as the race winds down and everyone is tired and wants to go home !!

[1347]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Actually, I suggested a couple of tenths..Realistically it should be 5.

I just looked and the Div 1 Stock Q results for the season. I see one guy with a good combo that's running about 2 tenths under at every race.I don't know what his game is. He's run fast before in other cars.He must be using a Target motor or something.
.I see a very few new names at the bottom and some with mechanical issues.
Billy's current ride has a long block right out of the junkyard, and he can run 5 tenths under.

Almost every day we hear that S/SS is a performance based eliminator. Also we MUST have heads -up runs in the eliminator.
But then we hear that lowering the indexes 2 tenths and keeping the triggers at the same value , to keep pace with progress, is a dumb idea.
Rich, I don't know how long you've been at this, and I know some of the newer guys don't like to hear about the good old days, but try this:
In 1978, I was fortunate to be in a divisional final. Myself and the other guy were the the only two cars to run on or under the index, for the entire event.
Today, those combos can run a full second under the index.
I guess you never drove 1000 miles to Gainesville with a S/S car and qualified 34th in a 32 car field. gee..Much too hard. I should have quit then. ;-)

How about we lower the indexes 2 tenths and then , for the guys at the bottom, over the index, we give them a participation trophy?
Then we can watch the rest of the cars run all the way to the 1320?

Not sure which races you were looking at, but if the indexes were lowered .5, there would be 5 or 6 cars in Div1 that would be non qualifiers, maybe even more depending on the DA.

If you think Billys car can run .5 under anywhere, you should come rent it from him and run it at Numidia next year, or Atco when its 95 degrees.
lowering the index .5 would just help the fast cars, it would do nothing for the entry level racer that can't spend 5k on heads. If we turn that person away, are we really helping to bring new racers in?

[bubski]

Bubski's head hurts from all this NHRA gobbly gook !! First and foremost is that the sportsman racer pays at least a 100$$ per national event for insurance !! Bubski can't think of the last time a S/SS car killed a poor soul in the stands !! Death at the races is no laughing matter !! Bubski would like all to leave the property as they came !! However maybe the NHRA could take some of that extortion cash stole from the sportsmen racers and funnel it into the the proper tech to help keep the sportsmen the backbone of NHRA in check and happy with their sanctioning body !! Its called good business practice !! Bubski would also like to address the indexes and classes if he may !! #1 the indexes are way to soft !! If the indexes represent the national standard as they are, its ludicrous to think a 1.20 run is acceptable !! The index and or HP for that combo is not in line !! #2 all the FI 350 Chevys are rated most laughably low compared to their carbureted counter parts !! They sure are rated much higher in Stock than SS !! that's kinda odd as the rating trends go !! Bubskis not picking on them !! there's many more examples ,but this one sticks out in Bubskis mind foremost !! #3 Its time to lower the class count and the nonsense associated with all the subdivisions of classes !! Sticks and Autos race head up together !! There's no more 3600# 2 speed autos anymore and most of the autos are faster than the sticks as I type this !! #4 Get rid of the half pound weight breaks in the GT classes !! A typical GT low class car will add less than a 100# to drop a class and pick up 2 tenths !! #5 PLEEZE have proper tech to bring this mess in line !!