The mines are now closed (AHFS)

[1347]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Actually, I suggested a couple of tenths..Realistically it should be 5.

I just looked and the Div 1 Stock Q results for the season. I see one guy with a good combo that's running about 2 tenths under at every race.I don't know what his game is. He's run fast before in other cars.He must be using a Target motor or something.
.I see a very few new names at the bottom and some with mechanical issues.
Billy's current ride has a long block right out of the junkyard, and he can run 5 tenths under.

Almost every day we hear that S/SS is a performance based eliminator. Also we MUST have heads -up runs in the eliminator.
But then we hear that lowering the indexes 2 tenths and keeping the triggers at the same value , to keep pace with progress, is a dumb idea.
Rich, I don't know how long you've been at this, and I know some of the newer guys don't like to hear about the good old days, but try this:
In 1978, I was fortunate to be in a divisional final. Myself and the other guy were the the only two cars to run on or under the index, for the entire event.
Today, those combos can run a full second under the index.
I guess you never drove 1000 miles to Gainesville with a S/S car and qualified 34th in a 32 car field. gee..Much too hard. I should have quit then. ;-)

How about we lower the indexes 2 tenths and then , for the guys at the bottom, over the index, we give them a participation trophy?
Then we can watch the rest of the cars run all the way to the 1320?

Not sure which races you were looking at, but if the indexes were lowered .5, there would be 5 or 6 cars in Div1 that would be non qualifiers, maybe even more depending on the DA.

If you think Billys car can run .5 under anywhere, you should come rent it from him and run it at Numidia next year, or Atco when its 95 degrees.
lowering the index .5 would just help the fast cars, it would do nothing for the entry level racer that can't spend 5k on heads. If we turn that person away, are we really helping to bring new racers in?

[bubski]

Bubski's head hurts from all this NHRA gobbly gook !! First and foremost is that the sportsman racer pays at least a 100$$ per national event for insurance !! Bubski can't think of the last time a S/SS car killed a poor soul in the stands !! Death at the races is no laughing matter !! Bubski would like all to leave the property as they came !! However maybe the NHRA could take some of that extortion cash stole from the sportsmen racers and funnel it into the the proper tech to help keep the sportsmen the backbone of NHRA in check and happy with their sanctioning body !! Its called good business practice !! Bubski would also like to address the indexes and classes if he may !! #1 the indexes are way to soft !! If the indexes represent the national standard as they are, its ludicrous to think a 1.20 run is acceptable !! The index and or HP for that combo is not in line !! #2 all the FI 350 Chevys are rated most laughably low compared to their carbureted counter parts !! They sure are rated much higher in Stock than SS !! that's kinda odd as the rating trends go !! Bubskis not picking on them !! there's many more examples ,but this one sticks out in Bubskis mind foremost !! #3 Its time to lower the class count and the nonsense associated with all the subdivisions of classes !! Sticks and Autos race head up together !! There's no more 3600# 2 speed autos anymore and most of the autos are faster than the sticks as I type this !! #4 Get rid of the half pound weight breaks in the GT classes !! A typical GT low class car will add less than a 100# to drop a class and pick up 2 tenths !! #5 PLEEZE have proper tech to bring this mess in line !!

[GUMP]

Bubski is the village idiot.

[bubski]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Bubski is the village idiot.

Bubski would like to ask Mr Rump !! You think the indexes are fine ?? You think your rating is too hard ?? You think all these classes are fine ?? You think theres too much tech ?? you think every underfactored combo is fine ?? If you answered yes to any one of these you should get outta the bottom of you Poole and get sum air !! Cheers KNUCKLEHEAD !!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by bubski

Its time to lower the class count and the nonsense associated with all the subdivisions of classes !! Sticks and Autos race head up together !!

PLEEZE have proper tech to bring this mess in line !!

Hey Bubski, I'm with you on the class count with one small exception, we need a few EXTRA FWD classes. I know that you're above running a FWD car but there are still a few of us out there. Do you know that the average FWD car is stuck in one class by General Regulation; Weight 4.2? But then I'm sure that you know this being the expert on everything S/SS that you are.

And yeah, the Tech thing too. I am paying my membership and entry fees without (usually) complaining under the ASSumption that NHRA will have enough QUALIFIED people on the grounds to keep me safe and give me a "level playing field" on which to compete. If they're not then what am I paying for?

[Craig Porter]

Morning Billy . What we are paying for with entry fees and membership is fattening up the higher up bank accounts . I am not a s/ss racer but been raciing around y’all for 30 so years and this self tech and policing of every class and category has become a joke! The few people they have at a National event can barely keep up with pairing cars in the staging lanes let alone tare downs. Seems it’s a free for all or run what you brung

[Bobby Fazio]

Clearly lots to discuss here. Tune in to my new “Tuesday Tell-All” segment-Tuesdays at NOON EST! Watch/participate on Facebook or YouTube.

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[J.R. Haddad]

Bobby, I will tune in. But I think you should have some ideas to get the
thought process going. This is quickly off the top of my head. Feel free
to modify it, crucify it, add to it, etc. We have a NHRA manageable time
range of .85 to 1.20. This is counterproductive to what we think NHRA
and the racers want to accomplish. All of this years races that were
mineshaft are coming back in next year. That will make roughly 50% of
the combos up for review based on YTD numbers. We need to narrow up
the times NHRA wants to manage. What if we suggested something along
this line: The average must change to -1.00 and 2 hits of -1.10 to get a
review. A hit of -1:20 is an automatic NHRA review, where they can weigh
the variables (Weather, Current H.P. Manufacturer Relations!!! etc.) and make their (Hopefully consistent) adjustments. Nobody wants an -.85 under car, take a hit at -.85, and now they have a .70 to .75 under car.
If you get a hit at -1.00 and you can still go -.90 under, its not so bad.
Great idea? Lets compare them to the others. Thanks, J.R.

[grncpe]

I have one question, since there is no tech, no ahfs, no 1.20 under instant hit, & no automatic tear down, even if the motor is sealed, what about the old fashioned way of protests? Can we at least protest? If so I will have an atm machine at my trailer for anyone who needs cash! Nhra doesn’t want to do a tear down? Let’s see how they want to handle this.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by 1347

Not sure which races you were looking at, but if the indexes were lowered .5, there would be 5 or 6 cars in Div1 that would be non qualifiers, maybe even more depending on the DA.

If you think Billys car can run .5 under anywhere, you should come rent it from him and run it at Numidia next year, or Atco when its 95 degrees.
lowering the index .5 would just help the fast cars, it would do nothing for the entry level racer that can't spend 5k on heads. If we turn that person away, are we really helping to bring new racers in?

Duane ,
The discussion was about 2 tenths under.I was told lowering 2 tenths was stupid.
I disagreed and said why. The 5 tenths was an opinion , as an aside.

I don't know how long you've known Billy, but for me, it's been about 45 years.
You and I know that if Billy wanted to go 5/10's ,year 'round he could.
My point was that it's not real hard anymore to go 5/10's under. I stand by that comment.
If a guy with a 327 stick Chevy II can only run on the current index, who's fault is that?

Back to Billy. If I wanted to fool around with that Cavalier, I doubt that I'd have to rent from him. In fact, he'd probably bring it to the track for me.
Don't anybody get any ideas. It's too fast for me and doesn't have enough pedals.
Anyway , if the indexes were lowered 5/10's, Billy would deal with it.He'd probably just put that Pontiac back together. ;-)