thanks again nhra

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

For those who don't follow this stuff closely, but feel the need to comment anyway, Jack's Elky is a 305 2 bbl...not a V6 like the one that triggered this look/see and subsequent ruling.
Jack's doesn't run a second under, yet. It did lose it's .430 lift cam too though.
Whether it should have had it in the first place is debatable, but it did and now it doesn't.
(See MJ's point, above)

That was Jack's point, I believe.

There is more to this DRAMA than racers realize. Dennis Paz and Mark Faul are indirectly involved with their superstockers ….

[SDT1DYI]

Having some experience with the SBC 2 barrel combo, the change of the cam intake lift from .430 to say .390 Is going to make very little difference, if any at all.
The Challenge is the flow restriction of the 2 barrel, not a .040 dfference in valve lift. You can get only so much CFM thru the Carburator Venturi size no matter if you have a . 500 lift camshaft

Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620..
B/SA, G/SA, M/SA

[whompin_wedge]

Ok, dumb question.

Where do you find these updates to cars/ classes?

Having recently bought a U/SA (273 2 barrel) wagon myself... wondering what if any effects it will have on me?

Also... I don't agree with the fords haha.

Thanks,
Casey Fauss-Johnson

[Doug Hoven]

Originally Posted by whompin_wedge

Ok, dumb question.

Where do you find these updates to cars/ classes?

Having recently bought a U/SA (273 2 barrel) wagon myself... wondering what if any effects it will have on me?

Early this year the NHRA found what they believe to be more accurate shipping weights for pretty much every car across the board. Some moved a few pounds, others moved enough to change classes. That change lasted about a day before the NHRA decided to take back the change for the season. Haven't heard a word about whether they are going to make the changes for 2023 or not, so for now I wouldn't worry too much about it. There's a thread on all of that on here somewhere. All of these tech related changes can be found at nhraracer.com

[Bob Shaw]

The El Camino was advertised and sold and titled as a truck by General Motors.
You can haul 5 refrigerators in it.
NHRA thought it was a truck for 60 years.
It was a truck when we set the national record.
It was a truck when we won class at INDY several times.
I wonder why today they discovered that it is not really a truck

[jmcarter]

Casey, welcome to the NHRA class fray…like your NSS car BTW. Changes are normally posted here…

https://www.nhraracer.com/

But you need to rely on the classification guide (see left column of linked page) because that’s what you follow.

Contact Dwight Sutherland to get access to the great info tool he created and maintains (but the official NHRA classification guide is the ‘bible’. Here’s his website:
http://www.classracerinfo.com/

[JWagner]

Originally Posted by Bob Shaw

The El Camino was advertised and sold and titled as a truck by General Motors.
You can haul 5 refrigerators in it.
NHRA thought it was a truck for 60 years.
It was a truck when we set the national record.
It was a truck when we won class at INDY several times.
I wonder why today they discovered that it is not really a truck

Looks like another Bob Shaw only rule.

[whompin_wedge]

Originally Posted by jmcarter

Casey, welcome to the NHRA class fray…like your NSS car BTW. Changes are normally posted here…

https://www.nhraracer.com/

But you need to rely on the classification guide (see left column of linked page) because that’s what you follow.

Contact Dwight Sutherland to get access to the great info tool he created and maintains (but the official NHRA classification guide is the ‘bible’. Here’s his website:
http://www.classracerinfo.com/

Perfect! Thank you for the info and the kind words!

Casey FJ

[SDT1DYI]

Originally Posted by Doug Hoven

Early this year the NHRA found what they believe to be more accurate shipping weights for pretty much every car across the board. Some moved a few pounds, others moved enough to change classes. That change lasted about a day before the NHRA decided to take back the change for the season. Haven't heard a word about whether they are going to make the changes for 2023 or not, so for now I wouldn't worry too much about it. There's a thread on all of that on here somewhere. All of these tech related changes can be found at nhraracer.com

In many cases the shipping weight used by NHRA back in the day were furnished by the Manufacture..
In some cases it was in the manufactures competitive interest to use a " different" shipping weight .
Fast forward to today and now
many are known to be incorrect . People built combos based these NHRA HP to weight info.
Does it matter?, To Some very much so. Others not so much.
I would be in favor of , if your current natural class falls within
.10 to the next natural class , up or down, you can chose to go up or down to change the natural class you fall into. .
So for an example, if your car currently is shown as a Natural M car at 14.05. You could move to 13.95 and race L, M or N if you wanted to, Instead of M, N and O. Currently at 14.05.
It could help those that could drop to N as the safety rules change at N and below, saving $$.
If you run a 2 barrel combo , they respond with a greater performance gain the lighter the vehicle.
Just a thought to create more happy NHRA racers.

Steve Teeter Stk/ SS 620
B/SA, G/SA, M/SA

[Paul Wong]

Originally Posted by Bob Shaw

The El Camino was advertised and sold and titled as a truck by General Motors.
You can haul 5 refrigerators in it.
NHRA thought it was a truck for 60 years.
It was a truck when we set the national record.
It was a truck when we won class at INDY several times.
I wonder why today they discovered that it is not really a truck

We spent all day in the barn with discussions from GM representatives even. The brochures were brought out from 1987. I can only speak from my experience with Bob Shaw but it was determined at the time that it was sold under the truck line.

I get this means nothing to the masses as these cars are considered a nuisance and we have taken way to many class wins (in combo classes) and number one qualifying positions.

The wishy washy nature of the decisions being retracted or changed by the tech department is going to make it hard for many more people than just the few el Camino owners. I see many more retractions of parts in very common combinations coming. At that point it won’t be so funny when superseded parts from A-G cars start being retracted from the book being common place.