Hey Troy Huntzberry, Do The Right Thing! - Page 4

SBillinson · 10-18-2022, 09:34 PM

I'm having a real difficult time understanding why Hutnzberry is being called out. I don't know the man, but, from what I've read here, he pled his case to the division director based on a bizarre set of circumstances and the DD made a call. Who among us wouldn't have done the same?

Is the OP that pissed off about losing to him second round?

What's Huntzberry supposed to do? Go to confession? Pay a fine? Grovel for forgiveness?

If you're going to blame someone, blame the DD. Even then, it's seems like he didn't make an egregious call. True, it may not have been the right call according to the rule book, but the situation was strange to say the least.

I don't see the point of this public shaming.

Larry Hill · 10-18-2022, 09:58 PM

If we are not going to go by the rules we have nothing.
Going by the rules takes the human element out of the equation. The DD shows the racer the rule and it’s over.

SBillinson · 10-18-2022, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

If we are not going to go by the rules we have nothing.
Going by the rules takes the human element out of the equation. The DD shows the racer the rule and it’s over.

I couldn't agree more. I just don't see why Huntzberry's being called out, like he's some kind of villain. I don't know him. Maybe everyone hates him. I still don't see why this is being directed at him.

The OP must have been paired with him on the ladder or at the very least in the lanes. I didn't see where he went to the DD to tell him that Huntzberry should be out and that he should be given a by. Instead, he starts a thread calling out Huntzberry. That, I don't get.

Larry Hill · 10-19-2022, 06:36 AM

A better title for the thread would be:

Why were the RULES not followed?

I think both racers were not paying attention to the race at hand.

The win was showed to be Miles on the computer supplied time slip. The computer does not care who wins or looses. The computer has parameters programmed into its software to determine a winner within the rules structure.

The only people I’m disappointed with are the folks that ventured out on there own disregarding the rule book!

Jim Wahl · 10-19-2022, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SBillinson

I couldn't agree more. I just don't see why Huntzberry's being called out, like he's some kind of villain. I don't know him. Maybe everyone hates him. I still don't see why this is being directed at him.

The OP must have been paired with him on the ladder or at the very least in the lanes. I didn't see where he went to the DD to tell him that Huntzberry should be out and that he should be given a by. Instead, he starts a thread calling out Huntzberry. That, I don't get.

No, I wasn't paired with him until after the DD reinstated him wrongly. If the race had gone the way it should have, without the DD's interference, I would have had a broke bye. Troy was OUT! The DD disregarded the rule book and interjected his personal feelings into the situation. Because he did Casey and I lost points and I lost third round money. For me, it's not the money, it's the total disregard of the rules and the DD's decision to make it personal. I wasn't aware of the situation until after Huntzberry and I had already run. I was in the staging lanes paired with my first round opponent. All I knew was that Casey had broke and Huntzberry was the winner. When I found out about the situation I went to the tower and spoke with Cody Savage (the DD) and he told me he didn't care about the rule, he wanted to make it right because the girl doing the dial ins had screwed up. That's it. I protested it as soon as I found out what happened, to no avail.
What I would like is for Troy to man up and admit the rules were broken (not by him) and he should not have been in the second round. Troy no doubt knows the rule. He knows the rule was not upheld. I would like him to make a statement as to his side of the situation. He accepted the dial when he staged, he broke out on a competition run. Period. He was out. Apparently everyone there knew it but me at the time. Jim

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Steve Stasko · 10-19-2022, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by James Perrone

I believe the division director is the last word

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Yep.

Authority granted by Section 1.4 of the rulebook everyone keeps referencing here...

Billy Nees · 10-19-2022, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Stasko

Authority granted by Section 1.4 of the rulebook

Yer right. It's there in black-and-white! Like it or not.

Lenny5160 · 10-19-2022, 08:32 AM

How I’d feel about this situation is different depending on how the ruling came about.

Did the DD recognize the error and call for a rerun due to staff error, or did one of the drivers who staged on an incorrect dial run to the tower demanding a rerun?

I don’t need to know the answer in this case.

Larry Hill · 10-19-2022, 08:45 AM

1.4 FINALITY OF DECISIONS BY EVENT DIRECTOR, DESIGNEES OR OTHER EVENT OFFICIALS

Last sentence in paragraph one is worth reading.

“While the decisions, actions or inactions of Event Officials are not appealable, NHRA reserves the right to reverse such decisions or review such actions or inactions on its own initiative if it determines, in its sole and absolute judgment, that such action is warranted.”

I still wonder what prompted the decision to override the timing computer and the the race procedures spelled out in the rules.

jamie2370 · 10-19-2022, 09:53 AM

Larry Hill, that is what I have always been told but lets be honest, how many times does this happen. AFTER the finish line it is ok, there are no infractions after the finish line. You can hit the wall, go off end of track, cross line, etc. I am sure this is at the Director's discretion.

If we look at this from another view, James Perrone is correct in that it should have been a rerun due to BOTH lanes incorrect. In that instance a rerun would declare Troy the winner as Casey was broke and could not make the call. Plain and simple.

I personally don't care who is in the other lane. I have to do my job, he or she has to do theirs.

I feel the correct call was made. With that, I do not have a dog in the fight nor do I even have a "class" car anymore. Probably never will again.

10-18-2022, 09:34 PM	#31
SBillinson Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 94 Likes: 42 Liked 183 Times in 48 Posts	Re: Hey Troy Huntzberry, Do The Right Thing! I'm having a real difficult time understanding why Hutnzberry is being called out. I don't know the man, but, from what I've read here, he pled his case to the division director based on a bizarre set of circumstances and the DD made a call. Who among us wouldn't have done the same? Is the OP that pissed off about losing to him second round? What's Huntzberry supposed to do? Go to confession? Pay a fine? Grovel for forgiveness? If you're going to blame someone, blame the DD. Even then, it's seems like he didn't make an egregious call. True, it may not have been the right call according to the rule book, but the situation was strange to say the least. I don't see the point of this public shaming. __________________ SS/BS 1921 Last edited by SBillinson; 10-18-2022 at 09:41 PM.

10-18-2022, 09:58 PM	#32
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,640 Likes: 1,937 Liked 10,708 Times in 2,229 Posts	Re: Hey Troy Huntzberry, Do The Right Thing! If we are not going to go by the rules we have nothing. Going by the rules takes the human element out of the equation. The DD shows the racer the rule and it’s over. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

10-19-2022, 06:36 AM	#34
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,640 Likes: 1,937 Liked 10,708 Times in 2,229 Posts	Re: Hey Troy Huntzberry, Do The Right Thing! A better title for the thread would be: Why were the RULES not followed? I think both racers were not paying attention to the race at hand. The win was showed to be Miles on the computer supplied time slip. The computer does not care who wins or looses. The computer has parameters programmed into its software to determine a winner within the rules structure. The only people I’m disappointed with are the folks that ventured out on there own disregarding the rule book! __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

10-19-2022, 08:32 AM	#38
Lenny5160 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Inver Grove Heights, MN Posts: 898 Likes: 604 Liked 431 Times in 224 Posts	Re: Hey Troy Huntzberry, Do The Right Thing! How I’d feel about this situation is different depending on how the ruling came about. Did the DD recognize the error and call for a rerun due to staff error, or did one of the drivers who staged on an incorrect dial run to the tower demanding a rerun? I don’t need to know the answer in this case. __________________ S/ST 51 S/C 53

10-19-2022, 08:45 AM	#39
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,640 Likes: 1,937 Liked 10,708 Times in 2,229 Posts	Re: Hey Troy Huntzberry, Do The Right Thing! 1.4 FINALITY OF DECISIONS BY EVENT DIRECTOR, DESIGNEES OR OTHER EVENT OFFICIALS Last sentence in paragraph one is worth reading. “While the decisions, actions or inactions of Event Officials are not appealable, NHRA reserves the right to reverse such decisions or review such actions or inactions on its own initiative if it determines, in its sole and absolute judgment, that such action is warranted.” I still wonder what prompted the decision to override the timing computer and the the race procedures spelled out in the rules. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

10-19-2022, 09:53 AM	#40
jamie2370 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Perry, GA Posts: 331 Likes: 11 Liked 239 Times in 90 Posts	Re: Hey Troy Huntzberry, Do The Right Thing! Larry Hill, that is what I have always been told but lets be honest, how many times does this happen. AFTER the finish line it is ok, there are no infractions after the finish line. You can hit the wall, go off end of track, cross line, etc. I am sure this is at the Director's discretion. If we look at this from another view, James Perrone is correct in that it should have been a rerun due to BOTH lanes incorrect. In that instance a rerun would declare Troy the winner as Casey was broke and could not make the call. Plain and simple. I personally don't care who is in the other lane. I have to do my job, he or she has to do theirs. I feel the correct call was made. With that, I do not have a dog in the fight nor do I even have a "class" car anymore. Probably never will again.