Billet cams and lifter supply

SDT1DYI · 11-02-2022, 06:11 PM

There are some options if one does not want or can not afford to go the Tool steel/DCL lifter route.
Yes PPPC was saying lifter lead times were very long due to them having their machine down and they could not get it fixed. They could recondition lifters however .
I believe it is now repaired and running. I did get my set after 6 months wait .
Short of a Tool steel cam core, using P55 core and uncoated tool steel lifters will allow you to run 200-210 on the seat , 390 -400 over the nose. Only issue is you only get maybe 80-90 runs with it.
P 55 Cams are pretty cheap. You can get PPPC to polish the lifter face for 140.00 a set and a 1 week turnaround time.
Changing cams is a 3-4 hour job with a Comp 3 piece timing cover.
Certainly cost effect compared to TS/DCL 3 -4 K cost.
I just ordered a Total Seal ring set and spacers, Keith indicated 8 weeks.
Flat Tappet / Roller Cams in Stock debate, if they do every make this change, please NHRA
allow either or and 12 months advance notification of the change.

Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620.

john ancona · 11-02-2022, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDT1DYI

There are some options if one does not want or can not afford to go the Tool steel/DCL lifter route.
Yes PPPC was saying lifter lead times were very long due to them having their machine down and they could not get it fixed. They could recondition lifters however .
I believe it is now repaired and running. I did get my set after 6 months wait .
Short of a Tool steel cam core, using P55 core and uncoated tool steel lifters will allow you to run 200-210 on the seat , 390 -400 over the nose. Only issue is you only get maybe 80-90 runs with it.
P 55 Cams are pretty cheap. You can get PPPC to polish the lifter face for 140.00 a set and a 1 week turnaround time.
Changing cams is a 3-4 hour job with a Comp 3 piece timing cover.
Certainly cost effect compared to TS/DCL 3 -4 K cost.
I just ordered a Total Seal ring set and spacers, Keith indicated 8 weeks.
Flat Tappet / Roller Cams in Stock debate, if they do every make this change, please NHRA
allow either or and 12 months advance notification of the change.

Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620.

Oh only a 6 months, it's now over a year now I have been waiting , so I did what all the (one more change to stock) Guy's are saying ,I built a Super stock engine to run in the mean time with the $ 650.00 dollar roller lifters while I wait for the what I think will be the $1400.00 to $ 2400.00 set . Lol

Kingpen · 11-02-2022, 07:42 PM

Was told yesterday NO P55 cores and are not going to make anymore either,that’s at Bullet and they have/had a very good core inventory awhile back......

SSDiv6 · 11-02-2022, 11:45 PM

It is not only the automotive industry that is having supply chain issues.
I work for a supplier of military equipment and hardware for the Department of Defense.

We have a contract and are the sole supplier of all the fasteners that are used by the military on aircraft, ground vehicles and weapon systems for overhaul, repair and maintenance and have over 60K of SKU's we need to fulfill. We are talking of AN, MS, NAS fasteners such as bolts, screws, nuts, washers, rivets, etc...

Due to the supply chain issues for materials and many manufacturers closing, we have lead times on some items of 2 and 3 years! Also, the prices of many of the items we quoted , have increased in price as much as 60% from the original quote.

Yes, there is a supply chain issue in many ways for racing parts and also with the mergers, many companies have quit manufacturing many products.

Larry Hill · 11-03-2022, 05:19 AM

A simple but costly solution: Made In The USA

Billy Nees · 11-03-2022, 07:42 AM

How about this for a solution, get off your inflated egos and build slow, cheap combos that can be put together with E-Bay and salvage yard parts! In the end, we're all running for the same pathetic purse.

SDT1DYI · 11-03-2022, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by john ancona

Oh only a 6 months, it's now over a year now I have been waiting , so I did what all the (one more change to stock) Guy's are saying ,I built a Super stock engine to run in the mean time with the $ 650.00 dollar roller lifters while I wait for the what I think will be the $1400.00 to $ 2400.00 set . Lol

John, I thought you were going with to race SS GT class with a 350 2 barrel?
How about a 5 HP penalty for Roller cam in stock?
If a change to Roller Cams is made then change the piston rings to what ever rings you want. Spacers are get expensive as well. Oh and then for low compression motors how about making pump gas legal in stock as well. Could save some money there as well. .

Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620

Gary Parker · 11-03-2022, 11:11 AM

Heres my 2 cents.. I lost a motor at the beginning of 2022. A shubeck lifter broke. That did in the whole short block. Now I am trying to get the motor done for 2023. I have made many calls and talked with people who make lifters. The best one I talked to was a man at Howard Cams. He explained they could not get Trend tool steel lifters to sell. They did have them advertised for $699.00 Talked to Trend and yes $2400.00 and a year wait. The man from Howards explainded the company the made lifter cups went out of buisness at the start of Covid. I wrote NHRA tech department and tried to explain my position... No lifters...Yes I did ask about alowing rollers. Not because I wanted to gain performance but I wanted to race. They are in so many stockers with roler lifters now.... But they did not go for it..

bubski · 11-03-2022, 11:39 AM

Bubski’s thinking !! It sure would be more cost effective and in the spirit of stock eliminator rules to go back to the valve spring rule and forget about all of this nonsense with exotic materials and changing the rules to be closer to SS !! How can it be possibly cheaper to redesign your entire valve train ?? All that needs to be done is go back to what used to work in Stock !! Why can’t change ever go backwards to what worked previously ?? Why does change always move toward more problems and expense ??

Paul Wong · 11-03-2022, 01:34 PM

I cant agree more. Put the valve spring rule back in place and it will make all this go away. We even have two steps to kill the valve spring pressure a bit before tear down now.

I can only imagine all the letters of superseded valve springs appearing over night.

11-02-2022, 06:11 PM	#1
SDT1DYI Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Indianola Washington Posts: 405 Likes: 0 Liked 455 Times in 147 Posts	Re: Billet cams and lifter supply There are some options if one does not want or can not afford to go the Tool steel/DCL lifter route. Yes PPPC was saying lifter lead times were very long due to them having their machine down and they could not get it fixed. They could recondition lifters however . I believe it is now repaired and running. I did get my set after 6 months wait . Short of a Tool steel cam core, using P55 core and uncoated tool steel lifters will allow you to run 200-210 on the seat , 390 -400 over the nose. Only issue is you only get maybe 80-90 runs with it. P 55 Cams are pretty cheap. You can get PPPC to polish the lifter face for 140.00 a set and a 1 week turnaround time. Changing cams is a 3-4 hour job with a Comp 3 piece timing cover. Certainly cost effect compared to TS/DCL 3 -4 K cost. I just ordered a Total Seal ring set and spacers, Keith indicated 8 weeks. Flat Tappet / Roller Cams in Stock debate, if they do every make this change, please NHRA allow either or and 12 months advance notification of the change. Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620.

11-02-2022, 07:42 PM	#3
Kingpen Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: sooner state Posts: 105 Likes: 3 Liked 64 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Billet cams and lifter supply Was told yesterday NO P55 cores and are not going to make anymore either,that’s at Bullet and they have/had a very good core inventory awhile back......

11-02-2022, 11:45 PM	#4
SSDiv6 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glendale, Arizona Posts: 3,044 Likes: 712 Liked 1,583 Times in 582 Posts	Re: Billet cams and lifter supply It is not only the automotive industry that is having supply chain issues. I work for a supplier of military equipment and hardware for the Department of Defense. We have a contract and are the sole supplier of all the fasteners that are used by the military on aircraft, ground vehicles and weapon systems for overhaul, repair and maintenance and have over 60K of SKU's we need to fulfill. We are talking of AN, MS, NAS fasteners such as bolts, screws, nuts, washers, rivets, etc... Due to the supply chain issues for materials and many manufacturers closing, we have lead times on some items of 2 and 3 years! Also, the prices of many of the items we quoted , have increased in price as much as 60% from the original quote. Yes, there is a supply chain issue in many ways for racing parts and also with the mergers, many companies have quit manufacturing many products.

11-03-2022, 05:19 AM	#5
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,641 Likes: 1,940 Liked 10,714 Times in 2,230 Posts	Re: Billet cams and lifter supply A simple but costly solution: Made In The USA __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

11-03-2022, 07:42 AM	#6
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,495 Likes: 3,600 Liked 7,742 Times in 1,740 Posts	Re: Billet cams and lifter supply How about this for a solution, get off your inflated egos and build slow, cheap combos that can be put together with E-Bay and salvage yard parts! In the end, we're all running for the same pathetic purse. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

11-03-2022, 11:11 AM	#8
Gary Parker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Westfield Mass Posts: 529 Likes: 368 Liked 425 Times in 56 Posts	Re: Billet cams and lifter supply Heres my 2 cents.. I lost a motor at the beginning of 2022. A shubeck lifter broke. That did in the whole short block. Now I am trying to get the motor done for 2023. I have made many calls and talked with people who make lifters. The best one I talked to was a man at Howard Cams. He explained they could not get Trend tool steel lifters to sell. They did have them advertised for $699.00 Talked to Trend and yes $2400.00 and a year wait. The man from Howards explainded the company the made lifter cups went out of buisness at the start of Covid. I wrote NHRA tech department and tried to explain my position... No lifters...Yes I did ask about alowing rollers. Not because I wanted to gain performance but I wanted to race. They are in so many stockers with roler lifters now.... But they did not go for it.. __________________ Gary Parker 1617 STK

11-03-2022, 11:39 AM	#9
bubski Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 228 Likes: 14 Liked 165 Times in 60 Posts	Re: Billet cams and lifter supply Bubski’s thinking !! It sure would be more cost effective and in the spirit of stock eliminator rules to go back to the valve spring rule and forget about all of this nonsense with exotic materials and changing the rules to be closer to SS !! How can it be possibly cheaper to redesign your entire valve train ?? All that needs to be done is go back to what used to work in Stock !! Why can’t change ever go backwards to what worked previously ?? Why does change always move toward more problems and expense ??

11-03-2022, 01:34 PM	#10
Paul Wong Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 384 Likes: 101 Liked 419 Times in 85 Posts	Re: Billet cams and lifter supply I cant agree more. Put the valve spring rule back in place and it will make all this go away. We even have two steps to kill the valve spring pressure a bit before tear down now. I can only imagine all the letters of superseded valve springs appearing over night.