Billet cams and lifter supply - Page 5

Frank Castros · 11-03-2022, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bubski

Bubski’s thinking !! It sure would be more cost effective and in the spirit of stock eliminator rules to go back to the valve spring rule and forget about all of this nonsense with exotic materials and changing the rules to be closer to SS !! How can it be possibly cheaper to redesign your entire valve train ?? All that needs to be done is go back to what used to work in Stock !! Why can’t change ever go backwards to what worked previously ?? Why does change always move toward more problems and expense ??

If I could have liked this post 100 times I would have.

Frank Castros · 11-03-2022, 08:06 PM

One of the best posts in a very long time. Bravo Bubski!

james schaechter · 11-04-2022, 08:25 AM

I bought a set of tool steel lifters recently for under $300 and had them treated for $250. I use a nitrided cam. This is a SBC and 210 on the seat. Works for me. The place I got these from is RPM Machine in North Carolina and made in USA. I think he may make them for other brands. He says he has some in stock. I found his ad on Facebook and just called and ordered them. For me, the process works and isn’t too crazy $$$.

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Originally Posted by B Parker

This is a unique problem now that there are none. Compared to before where racers just wanted to switch to a roller lifter when flat tappet steel lifters were available. Not many will say anything until they are the ones waiting for a new set to be made. And then they find out 6 months to a year and at twice the price they were. The excuse that Stock would be one step closer to Super Stocker doesn't fly. Not when you have cars running in Stock that are closer to comp than to Stock. I don't need a set right now but I know several racers that are waiting for them. With no real time line when to expect any. I know one racer that was quoted recently $2400 and about a year wait. I get if the rules weren't changed and they didn't allow some of the valve train changes we wouldn't have this problem. That horse left the barn years ago. I try to look forward instead of what if's. BP

ProfessorRock · 11-04-2022, 09:12 AM

Photo from one of said lifters
let me know if you cant see it Rock

Henrys Toy · 11-04-2022, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorRock

Photo from one of said lifters
let me know if you cant see it Rock

Good morning to all,
Holy Christmas, that poor piece of steel looks like it was machined with a Very Worn out Cutting tool!!!!!!!!
I can only hope that doesn't make it into someone's engine.

Sadly - Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA

ProfessorRock · 11-04-2022, 09:54 AM

So- i am calling a time out on this thread before someone or a lot gets burned here. I have no connection to the referenced lifter maker or any other lifter or cam mfg. But the lifter photo i posted was sent to me ,(my co) by one of the most well known and fast engine builders in the country to see if i could fix the surface,with one of our coatings. (I could not). You can literally drag a fingernail across the surface and feel the roughness of the surface.So itried etching and then polishing one to see if i could get anything near acceptable for applying .No .Then took some pics with our microscope to get more info. They are over at another lab as we talk getting hardness tested. I have no dog in the hunt here,just trying to help my friends, you guys!!! So u might want to be prudent and wait for more info before u go ordering stuff.
Maybe its just a bad batch or ?? But this builder or others i spoke with are not putting those on any engine. I did not expect this subject to come upwhen i posted this but, maybe its good that it did. You can see a little bit about my experience and what i do at forcealtered.com But this is in no way a promotion for me our what i do. I am just in the startup/re-startup phase and Ken M. is aware of me and what i do.

B Parker · 11-04-2022, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank Castros

If I could have liked this post 100 times I would have.

Bubski Grow a pair and use your real name.

Frank I'm sure we must have met threw the years but do you even have a Stocker?

Paul you and Charlie are trying to get a motor built. What are you going to use for lifters? Or are you going to put a small cam with not a lot of valve spring pressure.

There are others on here with a solution to go backwards for the older cars. Some of you don't race Stock and probably never will. Others race in classes that they don't have anyone that competes in their class and won't see a heads up race all year. I'd call that bracket racing and you don't need to worry how fast your car goes. I like the part of competing against other cars that run the same class as I do. And I don't want to have to bring a knife to a gun fight because a part is no longer available.

James so you have an experiment going on. I hope they work all season.
But if not let us know how big of a hole in the oil pan they put and what it will cost to fix.

I don't need any lifters at this point. But with everything we are allowed to do right now. And with half the cars in Stock using roller lifters already. You think letting all Stockers use them is going to make us closer to Super Stock. Really!!
That horse left the barn years ago too.

Bubski pay attention to this. I USE MY REAL NAME again if your going post on here why don't you first grow a SET !! Until then I look at your post's as a no name CLOWN. Barry Parker

Nmbr1GMfan · 11-04-2022, 12:21 PM

I have a cast cam, removed the billet core so we could try a different grind, everything looks good but I'm sure it's all on borrowed time. I would like to get a billet copy of our current can but that is obviously an issue. Here was my fix...I ordered a roller cam, aluminum heads and manifold, plus a 4150 carb and a nitrous kit. I'll mothball the stocker stuff and maybe someday when lifters aren't $2k we'll return...maybe not.

nhramnl · 11-04-2022, 01:15 PM

I always get a laugh when I see this argument. It always makes me think of what has taken place in the past. Remember Super Mod and the Econo classes? They were going to be a cheap and simple way for guys to have fun without spending a fortune. And now, they're ridiculously expensive and there's nobody in them. Super Stock? I remember when a decently competitive SS car involved a $30,000 total investment. Nowadays, that won't buy you an engine. I think the real problem is that many racers see three options, when there are only two. Option 1 is quit: Option 2 is spend enough to keep up with the guys who don't CARE how much it costs, and Option 3 is to keep bitching, but refuse to spend with the big dogs.

tavirace · 11-04-2022, 02:06 PM

I know I'll be classed as a lunatic but I see is the cause of all this fuss and expense is the obsession in stock and super/stock with UNDER. The index for for super gas is 9.90 the index for G/SA is 12.00 that's how it should stay. It's of no value to go 9.20 in super gas it could be of no value to go 11.20 in G/SA. In a heads up run you could still let it fly and you could still have class eliminations but do away with the qualifying ego trip, it could reduce expenses and create a new element in the game. Otherwise the never ending rule change and technology roller coaster is endless and for many they just can't keep up with it.

11-03-2022, 08:06 PM	#42
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,973 Likes: 2,586 Liked 2,723 Times in 960 Posts	Re: Billet cams and lifter supply One of the best posts in a very long time. Bravo Bubski!

11-04-2022, 09:12 AM	#44
ProfessorRock Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: PHXarea. +Ohio Posts: 82 Likes: 27 Liked 48 Times in 24 Posts	Re: Billet cams and lifter supply Photo from one of said lifters let me know if you cant see it Rock Attached Thumbnails __________________ Rocketmancoatings

11-04-2022, 09:54 AM	#46
ProfessorRock Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: PHXarea. +Ohio Posts: 82 Likes: 27 Liked 48 Times in 24 Posts	Re: Billet cams and lifter supply So- i am calling a time out on this thread before someone or a lot gets burned here. I have no connection to the referenced lifter maker or any other lifter or cam mfg. But the lifter photo i posted was sent to me ,(my co) by one of the most well known and fast engine builders in the country to see if i could fix the surface,with one of our coatings. (I could not). You can literally drag a fingernail across the surface and feel the roughness of the surface.So itried etching and then polishing one to see if i could get anything near acceptable for applying .No .Then took some pics with our microscope to get more info. They are over at another lab as we talk getting hardness tested. I have no dog in the hunt here,just trying to help my friends, you guys!!! So u might want to be prudent and wait for more info before u go ordering stuff. Maybe its just a bad batch or ?? But this builder or others i spoke with are not putting those on any engine. I did not expect this subject to come upwhen i posted this but, maybe its good that it did. You can see a little bit about my experience and what i do at forcealtered.com But this is in no way a promotion for me our what i do. I am just in the startup/re-startup phase and Ken M. is aware of me and what i do. __________________ Rocketmancoatings

11-04-2022, 12:21 PM	#48
Nmbr1GMfan VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,763 Likes: 1,197 Liked 1,955 Times in 492 Posts	Re: Billet cams and lifter supply I have a cast cam, removed the billet core so we could try a different grind, everything looks good but I'm sure it's all on borrowed time. I would like to get a billet copy of our current can but that is obviously an issue. Here was my fix...I ordered a roller cam, aluminum heads and manifold, plus a 4150 carb and a nitrous kit. I'll mothball the stocker stuff and maybe someday when lifters aren't $2k we'll return...maybe not. __________________ Todd Greene

11-04-2022, 01:15 PM	#49
nhramnl Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 507 Likes: 8 Liked 358 Times in 83 Posts	Re: Billet cams and lifter supply I always get a laugh when I see this argument. It always makes me think of what has taken place in the past. Remember Super Mod and the Econo classes? They were going to be a cheap and simple way for guys to have fun without spending a fortune. And now, they're ridiculously expensive and there's nobody in them. Super Stock? I remember when a decently competitive SS car involved a $30,000 total investment. Nowadays, that won't buy you an engine. I think the real problem is that many racers see three options, when there are only two. Option 1 is quit: Option 2 is spend enough to keep up with the guys who don't CARE how much it costs, and Option 3 is to keep bitching, but refuse to spend with the big dogs.

11-04-2022, 02:06 PM	#50
tavirace Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 37 Likes: 7 Liked 18 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Billet cams and lifter supply I know I'll be classed as a lunatic but I see is the cause of all this fuss and expense is the obsession in stock and super/stock with UNDER. The index for for super gas is 9.90 the index for G/SA is 12.00 that's how it should stay. It's of no value to go 9.20 in super gas it could be of no value to go 11.20 in G/SA. In a heads up run you could still let it fly and you could still have class eliminations but do away with the qualifying ego trip, it could reduce expenses and create a new element in the game. Otherwise the never ending rule change and technology roller coaster is endless and for many they just can't keep up with it.