Quickest traditional Muscle Cars in Stock

GTS340 · 12-04-2022, 01:23 PM

Even though I'm a Mopar guy now. I always thought the 1965 Pontiac 2plus2 was a great looking hotrod. !967 427 fastback Impala was very cool too.

Paul Haszlauer

Dan Bennett · 12-04-2022, 02:01 PM

This gets tricky since the question was about cars currently being racing but we're sidetracked on definition. It was probably different for a lot of people.

If you look back, the cars we're talking about weren't originally called muscle cars. Check any mid 60s magazine with tests of these cars and they were referred to as super cars. Muscle car came later.

For me, it was the cars we were racing back then, on the street and on the strip. Note that the statute of limitations has expired [lol) Some cars were considered worthy and it was almost never the family car.

My definition is any 60s to early 70s (before smog) performance package car. By that I mean that a 327/300 was an upgrade from the standard 327/250 but was not a muscle car. A L79 certainly was.

My best (though a bit vague) shot is a car with increased camshaft, intake manifold, compression ratio, and probably what the manufacturers classed as severe duty rear end and suspension.

Bill Harris · 12-05-2022, 11:00 AM

Wikipedia definitions are just the opinions of whoever wrote the entry. A muscle car is whatever you think it is. I graduated HS in 1971 and any two-door sedan with a high performance or tricked-out engine was considered a muscle car in those circles. The term "muscle" as related to cars of that day and age was pretty non-specific in terms of body style, but always related to performance, mainly drag race. Witness FoMoCo's parts and information catalog from 1969/1970 which was titled "Muscle Parts" and is quite an interesting read. Check out the price list in the back!

https://www.mustangtek.com/Library2/MuscleParts.html

Paul Merolla · 12-05-2022, 11:43 AM

Yet another thread derailed by the "I know more than you do" syndrome.

I would say Jason Line's Buick should be in the conversation...fingers crossed that the semantics police allow it.

Mark Yacavone · 12-05-2022, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Merolla

Yet another thread derailed by the "I know more than you do" syndrome.

I would say Jason Line's Buick should be in the conversation...fingers crossed that the semantics police allow it.

I would say Jason's car fills the bill. In fact , that's the first one I thought of.
BTW , nice "shoebox" you have there.

Rich Biebel · 12-05-2022, 02:03 PM

Full size cars years before the GTO were muscle cars to me

Chevy's, Pontiac's, Ford's and Mopars and some others all had big motor options and 4 speeds and some with multiple carb options....

I took a ride in a brand new '64 Plymouth 426 street wedge 4 speed convertible before I had a license with a buddy and that car sure was a muscle car to me on that ride !!

Jim Caughlin · 12-05-2022, 02:31 PM

Wow, did this run off the rails, I think it is safe to assume what this guy was asking is what were the fastest 60's / 70's era cars that ran in Stock. Instead, it turned into some sort of argument about what exactly is classified as a muscle car, I don't think that was the point of the question.

Mike Jones · 12-06-2022, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

BTW , nice "shoebox" you have there.

...wait, weren't " traditional " shoeboxes, 55-57 Chevys?
asking for a friend...

Mark Yacavone · 12-06-2022, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Jones

...wait, weren't " traditional " shoeboxes, 55-57 Chevys?
asking for a friend...

No.
They were actually 49-51 Fords in the hot rod and custom car world.

12-04-2022, 01:23 PM	#1
GTS340 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Posts: 874 Likes: 275 Liked 1,349 Times in 412 Posts	Re: Quickest traditional Muscle Cars in Stock Even though I'm a Mopar guy now. I always thought the 1965 Pontiac 2plus2 was a great looking hotrod. !967 427 fastback Impala was very cool too. Paul Haszlauer

12-04-2022, 02:01 PM	#2
Dan Bennett Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 439 Likes: 855 Liked 595 Times in 136 Posts	Re: Quickest traditional Muscle Cars in Stock This gets tricky since the question was about cars currently being racing but we're sidetracked on definition. It was probably different for a lot of people. If you look back, the cars we're talking about weren't originally called muscle cars. Check any mid 60s magazine with tests of these cars and they were referred to as super cars. Muscle car came later. For me, it was the cars we were racing back then, on the street and on the strip. Note that the statute of limitations has expired [lol) Some cars were considered worthy and it was almost never the family car. My definition is any 60s to early 70s (before smog) performance package car. By that I mean that a 327/300 was an upgrade from the standard 327/250 but was not a muscle car. A L79 certainly was. My best (though a bit vague) shot is a car with increased camshaft, intake manifold, compression ratio, and probably what the manufacturers classed as severe duty rear end and suspension. Last edited by Dan Bennett; 12-04-2022 at 02:04 PM.

12-05-2022, 11:00 AM	#3
Bill Harris Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ooltewah, TN Posts: 421 Likes: 13 Liked 26 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Quickest traditional Muscle Cars in Stock Wikipedia definitions are just the opinions of whoever wrote the entry. A muscle car is whatever you think it is. I graduated HS in 1971 and any two-door sedan with a high performance or tricked-out engine was considered a muscle car in those circles. The term "muscle" as related to cars of that day and age was pretty non-specific in terms of body style, but always related to performance, mainly drag race. Witness FoMoCo's parts and information catalog from 1969/1970 which was titled "Muscle Parts" and is quite an interesting read. Check out the price list in the back! https://www.mustangtek.com/Library2/MuscleParts.html Attached Thumbnails __________________ Bill Harris ex 2172 STK ex 2272 S/S

12-05-2022, 11:43 AM	#4
Paul Merolla Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Papillion, NE Posts: 611 Likes: 243 Liked 293 Times in 65 Posts	Re: Quickest traditional Muscle Cars in Stock Yet another thread derailed by the "I know more than you do" syndrome. I would say Jason Line's Buick should be in the conversation...fingers crossed that the semantics police allow it.

12-05-2022, 02:03 PM	#6
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,315 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: Quickest traditional Muscle Cars in Stock Full size cars years before the GTO were muscle cars to me Chevy's, Pontiac's, Ford's and Mopars and some others all had big motor options and 4 speeds and some with multiple carb options.... I took a ride in a brand new '64 Plymouth 426 street wedge 4 speed convertible before I had a license with a buddy and that car sure was a muscle car to me on that ride !! __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R

12-05-2022, 02:31 PM	#7
Jim Caughlin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodburn, Or Posts: 685 Likes: 83 Liked 805 Times in 245 Posts	Re: Quickest traditional Muscle Cars in Stock Wow, did this run off the rails, I think it is safe to assume what this guy was asking is what were the fastest 60's / 70's era cars that ran in Stock. Instead, it turned into some sort of argument about what exactly is classified as a muscle car, I don't think that was the point of the question.