65-85 under.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by B Parker

Billy really let them ruin their combo. It's their fault. What the he## good will that do. Not all of us race a combo that you don't have to worry about heads up runs in the eliminator. BP

Barry, let's say that Santa (NHRA) gives you and all of YOUR little friends (396/375 guys) a "special" present for Christmas. Let's say for the sake of this discussion,a pistol. While all of the rest of us get nothing but the usual socks and underwear. Let's say that you and your little friends are outside "playing" with your "special" presents and a couple of you manage to shoot yourselves in the foot. Is that Santa's fault? Are the rest of us at fault? Should the rest of the good little boys and girls (the rest of us in the Eliminator, you know the ones who got s#!t) be punished for your indiscretions? No, we shouldn't. YOU and your friends (the 396/375 guys) are at fault for shooting yourselves in the foot.
OBTW, YOU choose to run in a class where you have to be concerned about heads-up runs. You can change that.

Let me know if I have to explain this analogy to you so that you'll understand it.

[Glenn Briglio]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Barry, let's say that Santa (NHRA) gives you and all of YOUR little friends (396/375 guys) a "special" present for Christmas. Let's say for the sake of this discussion,a pistol. While all of the rest of us get nothing but the usual socks and underwear. Let's say that you and your little friends are outside "playing" with your "special" presents and a couple of you manage to shoot yourselves in the foot. Is that Santa's fault? Are the rest of us at fault? Should the rest of the good little boys and girls (the rest of us in the Eliminator, you know the ones who got s#!t) be punished for your indiscretions? No, we shouldn't. YOU and your friends (the 396/375 guys) are at fault for shooting yourselves in the foot.
OBTW, YOU choose to run in a class where you have to be concerned about heads-up runs. You can change that.

Let me know if I have to explain this analogy to you so that you'll understand it.

I think your getting soft Billy.............tell us what you really think.

[Billy Nees]

Glenn, tell me that I'm wrong and I'll delete the post.

[Signman]

A lot of the discussion here is bordering on absurd. In most discussions not only here those involved cannot see past their nose including themselves instead of looking at the whole picture speaking generally for everyone. Those in power who read this stuff realize that shutting off their hearing aids.

Those who screamed the AHFS will never work becuase it's so easy to manipulate well NHRA listened. This system for sure will work sandbagging or not becuase those who are fast still will qualify at the top and win heads up.

The fast guys have an argument though: All runs at NHRA season points earning events count "including all class eliminations". Class eliminations beyond 1st round are not part of qualifying earn no points therefore as per wording of the AHFS should not be included in the data base. Believe this was done a few years back. If they want class to be something other than time shots on the brakes who can cut a light and take less stripe they may hear something.

Why not petition NHRA to loosen up a little exclude runs after 1st round of class let them run and have fun. This is supposed to be fun. If NHRA turns up the volume on their hearing aids with this ask for special events like Indy and Sports Nationals be excluded from the data base completely to add to the show..

NHRA has a streaming TV station ya think more content like class eliminations of S/SS may just make some interesting content to add.



Marry Christmas & Happy New Year to ALL!!!

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Barry, let's say that Santa (NHRA) gives you and all of YOUR little friends (396/375 guys) a "special" present for Christmas. Let's say for the sake of this discussion,a pistol. While all of the rest of us get nothing but the usual socks and underwear. Let's say that you and your little friends are outside "playing" with your "special" presents and a couple of you manage to shoot yourselves in the foot. Is that Santa's fault? Are the rest of us at fault? Should the rest of the good little boys and girls (the rest of us in the Eliminator, you know the ones who got s#!t) be punished for your indiscretions? No, we shouldn't. YOU and your friends (the 396/375 guys) are at fault for shooting yourselves in the foot.
OBTW, YOU choose to run in a class where you have to be concerned about heads-up runs. You can change that.

Let me know if I have to explain this analogy to you so that you'll understand it.

Billy Van Winkle Have you been asleep that last 15 years. You need to go to the competition page and look under NHRA Approved products. There are 80 plus pages of accepted products. Including all types of Blocks Heads and Intakes and cranks just to name a few. Hard to believe Billys isn't it. They Have approved RHS, Dart, and Edelbrock heads. You have to stop just looking at the 396/375HP combo. I've never asked for any of them. And I used to shack my head ever year they would add another one. I wanted like you for them to leave the Stock I grew up with alone. But I finally said it didn't matter what I wanted and maybe just maybe you will realize this is almost the year 2023 and the Stock that we all raced years ago is gone. Lost for good.

I don't need any gifts from Santa for one of my cars to be fast. I paid my dues years ago and learned from testing, testing and did I say testing to find things that have nothing to do with the engine to make the cars I have run fast and any combo that I build will also.

Jim Boudreau is another one that has had one of if not the fastest 396/375 Hp car for the last 20 plus years. Why Billy not because it's a 396/375 Hp car. Anyone that knows Jimmy Knows he makes more runs a year testing than most make running their cars all year. Every car Jimmy has owed be a Super Stock or Stock car has been fast. It has very little to do with the combo.

Rip you also need to get a GM parts book. You will find both the heads and intake I run on my car listed. I can't say the same about a lot of other parts they have allowed cars to run.

Van before I raced my present car I ran a 1970 Corvette in G/SA My first full year with the car it was the fastest car at Indy in G.
But that must have been a Christmas car also. It had an aftermarket block, crank, rods, piston, rings, cam, lifters and rocker arms.

Your right we pick the combo or in this case the combo I run picked me. So you can pick a class that you can go years without running a heads up run. I would prefer not to. The main reason why I have raced in classes that are popular is that's a big part of Stock I enjoy. Having competition in a class that you run.

To each their own but if you race a class that you almost never have to run a heads up run you might as well have a bracket car.

Mr. Winkle as hard as it is for you to accept I hope one day you wake up and embrace the Class that is now called Stock. Yes it's not the Stock of old but to me unless the powers to be screw it up it is still fun to do. With the way the AHFS is today we will have a lot more playing and lot less racing to the finish line.

I'm not one that really wants to see them lower the index's several tenths. But the index's sure could have been lowered a tenth. Thats all they needed to do this year and maybe more would run their cars to the potential the have.

As Alan Reinhart announced at Epping a couple of year Please Dave Mohn please make this a mine shaft race so we can stop all this 1000 ft racing.

By the way it has been 13 years since they have lowered the index's. Even if you only picked your car up .01 the last 13 years between testing better parts or the now approved parts by NHRA you should have picked up at least the tenth. BP