"Live From" 2023 Baby Gators / Gatornationals

1347 · 03-13-2023, 09:22 AM

With no clear channel of communication of why they do what they do to the sportsman racers at National Events, I really don't think it will get any better.
After I watched the stands dump out as they were running FSS after the pros Saturday, I realized 90% of the fan is a fan of FC TFD and Pro stock car and motorcycle.
The call outs and all that other bull**** with announcers standing on stage like a DJ is what the common fan likes. We are a victim of society, not NHRA.
We need to just come to the realization that we class race because we like it. Not because we are the show. Just look in any high school parking lot to see that muscle cars are not attracting the youth.

BigBlockBill · 03-13-2023, 02:45 PM

Just look in any high school parking lot to see that muscle cars are not attracting the youth.[/QUOTE]

If it doesn't have a huge turbo or the BS horse power that is nitrous the kids don't anything to do with it. They like the bottle ponies and don't want to do the real work that actual engine building takes.

BBB

BG56 · 03-13-2023, 04:41 PM

I'd like to chime in on this. I agree with all the points brought up here and of course, for years. I think the real problem yesterday was to meet the "TV Window" and wrapping the Pro program by 3:00!! Even though Alan R. warned of the 10am start and 'hurry-up' to make it, maybe some never looked at their timepieces. Sure they could have fit all finals in before the Pro Finals, I'm thinking they couldn't take the chance. And the 'new' .TV still leaves a lot to be desired. We can register our "thoughts" on that elsewhere. Cheers!

Ken Miele · 03-13-2023, 05:12 PM

Hey guys, I forgot to post the semi's and finals of the Factory Stock Showdown. First few are from the semi's The one photo out of focus is Welch almost stuffing into the wall. I was late turning around for the shot... Never found out why. As soon as he crossed the finish line the car made a hard left turn... good job saving it.

Check out the finals, the 6th photo, tell me what is different about the two cars besides the brands. Stanfield had to pedal the COPO as it was in the wheelstand, I don't think he would have had the power to get around Welch. Welch was on time and arguably has the best FSS car.

James Perrone · 03-13-2023, 05:19 PM

Welches car suspension is some new school stuff

NO WHEELIE BARS !
Rear lifting and planting the tires and pushing the front down
This is what the fast 275 drag radial guys do
What’s next the goofy front struts 2 ft of travel?
Seems to work

Billy Nees · 03-13-2023, 05:23 PM

Ya know Ken, anybody that knows me well knows that I'm not a fan of wheelstands. I know that some instances require the front wheels to be off the ground in order to hook the car BUT Welch's car looked like an old '60s Max-Wedge car with nothing but a pinion snubber on it all weekend and he was definitely the class of the field. What's he doing under that car?

BG56 · 03-13-2023, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know Ken, anybody that knows me well knows that I'm not a fan of wheelstands. I know that some instances require the front wheels to be off the ground in order to hook the car BUT Welch's car looked like an old '60s Max-Wedge car with nothing but a pinion snubber on it all weekend and he was definitely the class of the field. What's he doing under that car?

"Super Stock Springs"

TOSTO RACING · 03-13-2023, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know Ken, anybody that knows me well knows that I'm not a fan of wheelstands. I know that some instances require the front wheels to be off the ground in order to hook the car BUT Welch's car looked like an old '60s Max-Wedge car with nothing but a pinion snubber on it all weekend and he was definitely the class of the field. What's he doing under that car?

I noticed that too? Looks like maybe they are setting it up like a huge hp small radial tire car. Those cars slam the rear end down also? Idk?

Frank Castros · 03-13-2023, 06:07 PM

Top speed; 185.18 MPH! Welch is making some serious steam. I'm sure his team is stellar but I believe Herb McCandless can help the program because it reminds me of days long ago. He knows more than many of us.

Ken Miele · 03-13-2023, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know Ken, anybody that knows me well knows that I'm not a fan of wheelstands. I know that some instances require the front wheels to be off the ground in order to hook the car BUT Welch's car looked like an old '60s Max-Wedge car with nothing but a pinion snubber on it all weekend and he was definitely the class of the field. What's he doing under that car?

I don't know the exact changes made, but James is right... the car is setup just like the the 275 drag radial cars.

03-13-2023, 09:22 AM	#1
1347 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Monroe Twp NJ Posts: 515 Likes: 1,059 Liked 1,032 Times in 283 Posts	Re: "Live From" 2023 Baby Gators / Gatornationals With no clear channel of communication of why they do what they do to the sportsman racers at National Events, I really don't think it will get any better. After I watched the stands dump out as they were running FSS after the pros Saturday, I realized 90% of the fan is a fan of FC TFD and Pro stock car and motorcycle. The call outs and all that other bull**** with announcers standing on stage like a DJ is what the common fan likes. We are a victim of society, not NHRA. We need to just come to the realization that we class race because we like it. Not because we are the show. Just look in any high school parking lot to see that muscle cars are not attracting the youth. __________________ Duane Hoven 1342 SS/GT

03-13-2023, 02:45 PM	#2
BigBlockBill Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 86 Likes: 531 Liked 98 Times in 31 Posts	Re: "Live From" 2023 Baby Gators / Gatornationals Just look in any high school parking lot to see that muscle cars are not attracting the youth.[/QUOTE] If it doesn't have a huge turbo or the BS horse power that is nitrous the kids don't anything to do with it. They like the bottle ponies and don't want to do the real work that actual engine building takes. BBB

03-13-2023, 04:41 PM	#3
BG56 Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 355 Likes: 504 Liked 301 Times in 113 Posts	Re: "Live From" 2023 Baby Gators / Gatornationals I'd like to chime in on this. I agree with all the points brought up here and of course, for years. I think the real problem yesterday was to meet the "TV Window" and wrapping the Pro program by 3:00!! Even though Alan R. warned of the 10am start and 'hurry-up' to make it, maybe some never looked at their timepieces. Sure they could have fit all finals in before the Pro Finals, I'm thinking they couldn't take the chance. And the 'new' .TV still leaves a lot to be desired. We can register our "thoughts" on that elsewhere. Cheers!

03-13-2023, 05:12 PM	#4
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,936 Likes: 483 Liked 17,534 Times in 1,596 Posts	Re: "Live From" 2023 Baby Gators / Gatornationals Hey guys, I forgot to post the semi's and finals of the Factory Stock Showdown. First few are from the semi's The one photo out of focus is Welch almost stuffing into the wall. I was late turning around for the shot... Never found out why. As soon as he crossed the finish line the car made a hard left turn... good job saving it. Check out the finals, the 6th photo, tell me what is different about the two cars besides the brands. Stanfield had to pedal the COPO as it was in the wheelstand, I don't think he would have had the power to get around Welch. Welch was on time and arguably has the best FSS car. Attached Thumbnails

03-13-2023, 05:19 PM	#5
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,698 Likes: 3,449 Liked 1,864 Times in 435 Posts	Re: "Live From" 2023 Baby Gators / Gatornationals Welches car suspension is some new school stuff NO WHEELIE BARS ! Rear lifting and planting the tires and pushing the front down This is what the fast 275 drag radial guys do What’s next the goofy front struts 2 ft of travel? Seems to work __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

03-13-2023, 05:23 PM	#6
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,509 Likes: 3,616 Liked 7,882 Times in 1,753 Posts	Re: "Live From" 2023 Baby Gators / Gatornationals Ya know Ken, anybody that knows me well knows that I'm not a fan of wheelstands. I know that some instances require the front wheels to be off the ground in order to hook the car BUT Welch's car looked like an old '60s Max-Wedge car with nothing but a pinion snubber on it all weekend and he was definitely the class of the field. What's he doing under that car? __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

03-13-2023, 06:07 PM	#9
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 3,011 Likes: 2,699 Liked 2,767 Times in 979 Posts	Re: "Live From" 2023 Baby Gators / Gatornationals Top speed; 185.18 MPH! Welch is making some serious steam. I'm sure his team is stellar but I believe Herb McCandless can help the program because it reminds me of days long ago. He knows more than many of us.