I need to apologize!!

Tim Barrett · 03-23-2023, 08:55 AM

I thought I knew the 2023 AHFS rules that are in effect for 2023 Stock, Super Stock season. I thought that any fast runs could be,,FIXED,,through the season by runs .650 to .850 under. I was TOTALLY wrong and at the Divisional at No Problem Dragway in February in the final for G/SA class I went
1.127 under for the win.
In the new AHFS rule #7 states,, if the engine combination reviewed is deemed to be over the .850 max,,then the fasted run under through out the year will be used to calculate how much horsepower increase will be made,,even though we had minimal 0-20 oil,iced intake and chilled the engine.
There is NO correcting our fasted run.
I apologize for not reading the rules correctly,but now after the damage has been done,,there's no correcting.
Our combination is the 69 Camaro 350 255 280hp. We've had our butts kicked so many times over the past many years and now we finally worked on our combo,spent lots of money only to maybe screw up our combination. This used to be fun.
I can except any comments.

GUMP · 03-23-2023, 09:08 AM

You have time to lower the average.

Larry Hill · 03-23-2023, 09:41 AM

It’s now a math problem. How many runs at .650 to .680 under will it take to lower the engine average less than .850 under? The only place safe will be the All Star race and the Sports Nationals. You may bring your average down in your class, but if someone with the same combo in a different class averages .850 everyone will get hit. The best hope is if the trigger has only been pulled once!
Good luck in walking the tightrope.

devo340 · 03-23-2023, 10:10 AM

On a bye run, if you only make a cruise run (20 second pass), does it get averaged in?

What if you only break the beam & back out?

MR DERBY CITY · 03-23-2023, 10:27 AM

Tim, you are fine. It’s still early in the season. In the Sorensen Brothers we Trust. They will get it all ironed out , they always do…..

Doug Hoven · 03-23-2023, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devo340

On a bye run, if you only make a cruise run (20 second pass), does it get averaged in?

What if you only break the beam & back out?

It doesn't count. The rule was changed so that you have to go .65 under for the run to count towards the average. It seems that I am part of the small minority that actually thinks the new AHFS rules will sort out some combos in a hurry. That being said, I might have a different opinion if I had just spend $20k+ on a new engine, just to have to add weight by next year. What I would like to see, but will most likely never happen, is if someone goes wickedly fast, for NHRA to make an effort to make sure their stuff is legal before the entire combo suffers.

Larry Hill · 03-23-2023, 10:31 AM

MJ I don’t think the 350 Chevy holds that much water.

1347 · 03-23-2023, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devo340

On a bye run, if you only make a cruise run (20 second pass), does it get averaged in?

What if you only break the beam & back out?

No, runs under .65 won't count.

Dirk Olson · 03-23-2023, 01:09 PM

I know that this will not sit well with a lot of you. I rarely post but I feel that I need to a least vent on this.
All the money that we spend to make our cars faster and more competitive only to be hand tied to go too fast and hurt our or our combo. To some it's all about the win to some it's all about how the car performs. In the end the blend of both is desirable. The current policy in place to me is confusing at best. and now we have good people with fast cars making decision based on index rather than making the car fast and consistent. Not sure this right and in the good spirt of class racing good for the sport. I know that there will be poo poo,rs so I guess let the dart throwers have at it.

Dirk Olson
A/S 5036

Mark Yacavone · 03-23-2023, 02:51 PM

Tim, Not sure what you're apologizing for .
For winning class?
For hitting the trigger twice?
For taking too much win light in the class final and putting your combo in the second tier for HP?

Be that as it may, the year end average for your combo has to be under -.85 .
If it's above that, what ET was used in the past to determine the HP hit? What's new then?
You can still lower the average by running.65 to .849 under as has been done every other year with this popular combo.
Am I missing something else new that pertains to Tim?
Anybody?

03-23-2023, 08:55 AM	#1
Tim Barrett Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Fort Ann New York State Posts: 142 Likes: 959 Liked 468 Times in 71 Posts	I need to apologize!! I thought I knew the 2023 AHFS rules that are in effect for 2023 Stock, Super Stock season. I thought that any fast runs could be,,FIXED,,through the season by runs .650 to .850 under. I was TOTALLY wrong and at the Divisional at No Problem Dragway in February in the final for G/SA class I went 1.127 under for the win. In the new AHFS rule #7 states,, if the engine combination reviewed is deemed to be over the .850 max,,then the fasted run under through out the year will be used to calculate how much horsepower increase will be made,,even though we had minimal 0-20 oil,iced intake and chilled the engine. There is NO correcting our fasted run. I apologize for not reading the rules correctly,but now after the damage has been done,,there's no correcting. Our combination is the 69 Camaro 350 255 280hp. We've had our butts kicked so many times over the past many years and now we finally worked on our combo,spent lots of money only to maybe screw up our combination. This used to be fun. I can except any comments.

03-23-2023, 09:08 AM	#2
GUMP VIP Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shelby, NC Posts: 1,817 Likes: 2,151 Liked 2,336 Times in 549 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! You have time to lower the average. __________________ Daren Poole-Adams NHRA Stock/SS 2007

03-23-2023, 09:41 AM	#3
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,625 Likes: 1,915 Liked 10,671 Times in 2,217 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! It’s now a math problem. How many runs at .650 to .680 under will it take to lower the engine average less than .850 under? The only place safe will be the All Star race and the Sports Nationals. You may bring your average down in your class, but if someone with the same combo in a different class averages .850 everyone will get hit. The best hope is if the trigger has only been pulled once! Good luck in walking the tightrope. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

03-23-2023, 10:10 AM	#4
devo340 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Sapulpa, OK Posts: 92 Likes: 125 Liked 168 Times in 30 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! On a bye run, if you only make a cruise run (20 second pass), does it get averaged in? What if you only break the beam & back out?

03-23-2023, 10:27 AM	#5
MR DERBY CITY VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Derby City, USA Posts: 3,624 Likes: 1,077 Liked 7,861 Times in 1,508 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! Tim, you are fine. It’s still early in the season. In the Sorensen Brothers we Trust. They will get it all ironed out , they always do…..

03-23-2023, 10:31 AM	#7
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,625 Likes: 1,915 Liked 10,671 Times in 2,217 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! MJ I don’t think the 350 Chevy holds that much water. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

03-23-2023, 01:09 PM	#9
Dirk Olson Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 199 Likes: 50 Liked 172 Times in 46 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! I know that this will not sit well with a lot of you. I rarely post but I feel that I need to a least vent on this. All the money that we spend to make our cars faster and more competitive only to be hand tied to go too fast and hurt our or our combo. To some it's all about the win to some it's all about how the car performs. In the end the blend of both is desirable. The current policy in place to me is confusing at best. and now we have good people with fast cars making decision based on index rather than making the car fast and consistent. Not sure this right and in the good spirt of class racing good for the sport. I know that there will be poo poo,rs so I guess let the dart throwers have at it. Dirk Olson A/S 5036 __________________ Dirk Olson 5036 STK

03-23-2023, 02:51 PM	#10
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,806 Likes: 2,895 Liked 5,107 Times in 1,946 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! Tim, Not sure what you're apologizing for . For winning class? For hitting the trigger twice? For taking too much win light in the class final and putting your combo in the second tier for HP? Be that as it may, the year end average for your combo has to be under -.85 . If it's above that, what ET was used in the past to determine the HP hit? What's new then? You can still lower the average by running.65 to .849 under as has been done every other year with this popular combo. Am I missing something else new that pertains to Tim? Anybody? __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers