I need to apologize!!

Dirk Olson · 03-23-2023, 01:09 PM

I know that this will not sit well with a lot of you. I rarely post but I feel that I need to a least vent on this.
All the money that we spend to make our cars faster and more competitive only to be hand tied to go too fast and hurt our or our combo. To some it's all about the win to some it's all about how the car performs. In the end the blend of both is desirable. The current policy in place to me is confusing at best. and now we have good people with fast cars making decision based on index rather than making the car fast and consistent. Not sure this right and in the good spirt of class racing good for the sport. I know that there will be poo poo,rs so I guess let the dart throwers have at it.

Dirk Olson
A/S 5036

Mark Yacavone · 03-23-2023, 02:51 PM

Tim, Not sure what you're apologizing for .
For winning class?
For hitting the trigger twice?
For taking too much win light in the class final and putting your combo in the second tier for HP?

Be that as it may, the year end average for your combo has to be under -.85 .
If it's above that, what ET was used in the past to determine the HP hit? What's new then?
You can still lower the average by running.65 to .849 under as has been done every other year with this popular combo.
Am I missing something else new that pertains to Tim?
Anybody?

GTS340 · 03-23-2023, 03:16 PM

Thursday Test and tuning for .65 under runs? Not .649. Easier said than done.

Paul

Mark Yacavone · 03-23-2023, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GTS340

Thursday Test and tuning for .65 under runs? Not .649. Easier said than done.

Paul

Paulie, Yeah, but if you look at recent Q sheets, about 30-40 % are right there anyway.

What I don't understand is guys with popular combos running 95 under regularly.. Most likely won't even get a bye run out of it...It can only come back to bite them.
Sure it ain't fun to slow yourself down but that's the hand we're dealt.

Bent Valve · 03-23-2023, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTS340

Thursday Test and tuning for .65 under runs? Not .649. Easier said than done.

Paul

Brings a whole new meaning to index racing.

Bent

GTS340 · 03-23-2023, 04:29 PM

Got your Paulie! Look me up!

Richard Grant · 03-23-2023, 05:39 PM

So Tim are you saying that no matter what happens from here forward, we get HP?

Mark Callanan · 03-23-2023, 06:16 PM

Tim you you worked hard and spent $ enjoy what you haveThis isnt about you its about NHRA and their foolish rules
What we do is about performance not about slowing down
We spend 20K to 30k for a motor to slow it down
Until the racer has NHRA respect we will deal with this until stock is done or might as well be done
I love NHRA racing but hate where were headed.....

MikeMoller · 03-23-2023, 06:24 PM

All runs for that engine combo regardless of class/combo that are faster than .649 will be averaged together and if faster than .850 the motor gets a hit using the fastest run recorded. So you need for that engine combo to have as many runs between .850 and .650 to get the average lowered. Been there done that and its difficult to race that way

KennyAnderson · 03-23-2023, 08:04 PM

Tim I'm shocked we didn't get hit this past winter. When I watched some cars with our combo qualify and race set up plus 1 second under IN BRACKET MODE last year I was literally shaking my head!!

I didn't freshen my stuff over the winter specifically because of the new rules. I'm doing my best to keep our average down! LOL!!

03-23-2023, 01:09 PM	#1
Dirk Olson Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 199 Likes: 50 Liked 172 Times in 46 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! I know that this will not sit well with a lot of you. I rarely post but I feel that I need to a least vent on this. All the money that we spend to make our cars faster and more competitive only to be hand tied to go too fast and hurt our or our combo. To some it's all about the win to some it's all about how the car performs. In the end the blend of both is desirable. The current policy in place to me is confusing at best. and now we have good people with fast cars making decision based on index rather than making the car fast and consistent. Not sure this right and in the good spirt of class racing good for the sport. I know that there will be poo poo,rs so I guess let the dart throwers have at it. Dirk Olson A/S 5036 __________________ Dirk Olson 5036 STK

03-23-2023, 02:51 PM	#2
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,815 Likes: 2,904 Liked 5,121 Times in 1,952 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! Tim, Not sure what you're apologizing for . For winning class? For hitting the trigger twice? For taking too much win light in the class final and putting your combo in the second tier for HP? Be that as it may, the year end average for your combo has to be under -.85 . If it's above that, what ET was used in the past to determine the HP hit? What's new then? You can still lower the average by running.65 to .849 under as has been done every other year with this popular combo. Am I missing something else new that pertains to Tim? Anybody? __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

03-23-2023, 03:16 PM	#3
GTS340 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Posts: 868 Likes: 270 Liked 1,342 Times in 409 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! Thursday Test and tuning for .65 under runs? Not .649. Easier said than done. Paul

03-23-2023, 04:29 PM	#6
GTS340 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Posts: 868 Likes: 270 Liked 1,342 Times in 409 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! Got your Paulie! Look me up!

03-23-2023, 05:39 PM	#7
Richard Grant Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West Monroe, La. Posts: 301 Likes: 9 Liked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! So Tim are you saying that no matter what happens from here forward, we get HP? __________________ Richard Grant 4988 STK

03-23-2023, 06:16 PM	#8
Mark Callanan Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: southern maine Posts: 383 Likes: 162 Liked 64 Times in 14 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! Tim you you worked hard and spent $ enjoy what you haveThis isnt about you its about NHRA and their foolish rules What we do is about performance not about slowing down We spend 20K to 30k for a motor to slow it down Until the racer has NHRA respect we will deal with this until stock is done or might as well be done I love NHRA racing but hate where were headed..... __________________ Mark Callanan 1027 STK

03-23-2023, 06:24 PM	#9
MikeMoller Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 637 Likes: 27 Liked 254 Times in 78 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! All runs for that engine combo regardless of class/combo that are faster than .649 will be averaged together and if faster than .850 the motor gets a hit using the fastest run recorded. So you need for that engine combo to have as many runs between .850 and .650 to get the average lowered. Been there done that and its difficult to race that way __________________ Mike Moller NHRA 203 Q-R-T/SA

03-23-2023, 08:04 PM	#10
KennyAnderson Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 290 Likes: 38 Liked 357 Times in 119 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! Tim I'm shocked we didn't get hit this past winter. When I watched some cars with our combo qualify and race set up plus 1 second under IN BRACKET MODE last year I was literally shaking my head!! I didn't freshen my stuff over the winter specifically because of the new rules. I'm doing my best to keep our average down! LOL!!