I need to apologize!! - Page 5

rboyle · 03-24-2023, 05:18 PM

Ok, another question. If you can go better than -1.30 which is an instant hit, or go better than -1.15 at will but are unwilling to do it almost anywhere that it counts against the average, then what are you saving it for? I mean your kids I guess can inherit it but if you have the ability to go faster than -1.15 and won't use it unless it's a no AHFS race then when do you intend to use it? Final at Indy in a heads up? We were better off keeping the -1.20 instant hit all along and having NHRA raise the floor from -.350 to -.500 but I realize it was not up to a vote.

Billy Nees · 03-24-2023, 06:03 PM

Tim, you've paid your dues, go out and have a blast!

Mark Yacavone · 03-24-2023, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rboyle

We were better off keeping the -1.20 instant hit all along and having NHRA raise the floor from -.350 to -.500 but I realize it was not up to a vote.

My take on the new -1.30 is that last year there were quite a few 1.20 hits.
If this happens late in the program, the tech guys (the 2-3 that are capable of doing a thorough teardown) , had to stay late for this deal. You can bet they didn't like it.
If they didn't do one, they caught a ration of you know what from the racers
Someone asked for a break, and they got one...Could be wrong but let's see if anyone agrees.

4543 · 03-24-2023, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rboyle

Ok, another question. If you can go better than -1.30 which is an instant hit, or go better than -1.15 at will but are unwilling to do it almost anywhere that it counts against the average, then what are you saving it for? I mean your kids I guess can inherit it but if you have the ability to go faster than -1.15 and won't use it unless it's a no AHFS race then when do you intend to use it? Final at Indy in a heads up? We were better off keeping the -1.20 instant hit all along and having NHRA raise the floor from -.350 to -.500 but I realize it was not up to a vote.

Rich , A lot of people can go 1.00-1.20 under at No Problen in February,Gainesville or South Georgia in March then struggle to run .90-1.00 under at Topeka in July. What is the right standard? Factoring the weather in is the only way this s—t might ever work and I don’t know that that will help. And I agree with you that we were all better off with the old rules. I think the real problem is that the people who made the decisions on the AHFS revisions don’t understand stock & super stock racers. Mike McMahan 2543 H/SA

rboyle · 03-24-2023, 08:32 PM

I agree the changes stink. I liked mineshaft rules too. I think the new platform will hurt a lot worse than the older system did. I think NHRA is going to have to reconsider their stance on the, once you get HP you can never get it back, stance. If not it will have a negative effect on the most populated class at Divisionals.
I think giving a tenth back across the board was also a foolish plan. Some combos got beat up already then to hit them with another tenth on top would have crippled many. So I guess the officials came up with what was the best compromise in their minds.
Good luck all. This season will have lots of triggers by the end of the season for many many combos. I hope nobody gets theirs beat up too bad.

Larry Hill · 03-24-2023, 09:57 PM

Y’all know there are a few words written at the bottom to help keep a car competitive.

Frank Castros · 03-25-2023, 08:33 AM

Lower the indexes.

Billy Nees · 03-25-2023, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank Castros

Lower the indexes.

Frank, you should build a Neon!

Did you post the Stein collage on the HAMB?

Tim Barrett · 03-25-2023, 08:56 AM

Linda and I are going to run 11 Nationals,approximately 12 Divisionals and 4 National Opens. We did this 3 years ago and in any Class runs we got our butt kicked. Most heads up we got our butt kicked. The final butt kicker was 3 years ago at the St. Louis double Divisional. We drove 1100 miles only to loose first round in both Divisionals. First one by a faster Nova,,350,second by a faster 383 Mopar.
That was the story of our 22,000 mile travels around the US that year enjoying what most of us love,,NHRA Sportsman Dragracing and the many friends we've made along the way.
This may be about the famous Chevy 350 255hp,,but it's also about our competitors.
The 305 Camaros
The 350 Novas
The 351 Mustang
The 327 Camaro and Nova
The carborated and tuned port Corvettes
And the 383 Mopars
There are several really fast cars in each one of these combos and a cpl that I know we can't beat.
We've run them all and have looked at ALOT of tail lights in heads up. Linda and I decided to spend some $$$$$$ and see if we could,,at least make our competitors ICE THEIR INTAKES and chill their engines!!!
Well it worked,,boy did it work!! Thanks to Glenn Briglio at B&B Auto Machine!!!
8 and 7 years ago we couldn't run the index. Thank God we blew that engine plus a spare. Then,, for the next 3 years we ran an engine I built,but,was no match for heads up. Most Dragracers will never run the events that we do and Linda and I are very fortunate to be able too!!
In the final for Class at Belle Rose we ran against a fast 305 Camaro and I took way to much finish line,,but if this wasn't heads up just a dial run,,I would have tightened it up alot less.
The final in class at the Baby Gators a 350 Corvette,that final,,again I took too much.
Unfortunately both these finals were done with,,
Minimum thin oil
Iced intake
And chilled engine!!!
Unfortunately doing this to run 2 tenths faster will shoot us in the foot,,big time!!
This whole post is about a group of cars in
F,G and H/SA and everyone else from A to Z
that can protect themselves with the new rules to be able in Class or heads up to be able to collect that win. Some of these other combos only have 2 to 4 or less so they can sit back and watch us try to save something in case we see them next year. I'm trying to figure out a setup now to be able to run in the "Slot" so we can dial without stomping on the brakes.
Happy Saturday!!
Bubski,,NO COMMENT!!! LOL

Richard Grant · 03-25-2023, 09:37 AM

Tim, I have waited 20 years to see the 255 competitive again. I've seen you struggle to reach the level that you have plus the cost involved. I also know you were trying to protect your combo while winning. It appears that some are rejoicing at your mistake. I just hope you continue to pursue your dream as we will also.

03-24-2023, 05:18 PM	#41
rboyle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 604 Likes: 1,454 Liked 586 Times in 162 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! Ok, another question. If you can go better than -1.30 which is an instant hit, or go better than -1.15 at will but are unwilling to do it almost anywhere that it counts against the average, then what are you saving it for? I mean your kids I guess can inherit it but if you have the ability to go faster than -1.15 and won't use it unless it's a no AHFS race then when do you intend to use it? Final at Indy in a heads up? We were better off keeping the -1.20 instant hit all along and having NHRA raise the floor from -.350 to -.500 but I realize it was not up to a vote.

03-24-2023, 06:03 PM	#42
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,485 Likes: 3,587 Liked 7,682 Times in 1,730 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! Tim, you've paid your dues, go out and have a blast! __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

03-24-2023, 08:32 PM	#45
rboyle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 604 Likes: 1,454 Liked 586 Times in 162 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! I agree the changes stink. I liked mineshaft rules too. I think the new platform will hurt a lot worse than the older system did. I think NHRA is going to have to reconsider their stance on the, once you get HP you can never get it back, stance. If not it will have a negative effect on the most populated class at Divisionals. I think giving a tenth back across the board was also a foolish plan. Some combos got beat up already then to hit them with another tenth on top would have crippled many. So I guess the officials came up with what was the best compromise in their minds. Good luck all. This season will have lots of triggers by the end of the season for many many combos. I hope nobody gets theirs beat up too bad.

03-24-2023, 09:57 PM	#46
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03-25-2023, 08:33 AM	#47
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03-25-2023, 08:56 AM	#49
Tim Barrett Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Fort Ann New York State Posts: 142 Likes: 960 Liked 468 Times in 71 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! Linda and I are going to run 11 Nationals,approximately 12 Divisionals and 4 National Opens. We did this 3 years ago and in any Class runs we got our butt kicked. Most heads up we got our butt kicked. The final butt kicker was 3 years ago at the St. Louis double Divisional. We drove 1100 miles only to loose first round in both Divisionals. First one by a faster Nova,,350,second by a faster 383 Mopar. That was the story of our 22,000 mile travels around the US that year enjoying what most of us love,,NHRA Sportsman Dragracing and the many friends we've made along the way. This may be about the famous Chevy 350 255hp,,but it's also about our competitors. The 305 Camaros The 350 Novas The 351 Mustang The 327 Camaro and Nova The carborated and tuned port Corvettes And the 383 Mopars There are several really fast cars in each one of these combos and a cpl that I know we can't beat. We've run them all and have looked at ALOT of tail lights in heads up. Linda and I decided to spend some $$$$$$ and see if we could,,at least make our competitors ICE THEIR INTAKES and chill their engines!!! Well it worked,,boy did it work!! Thanks to Glenn Briglio at B&B Auto Machine!!! 8 and 7 years ago we couldn't run the index. Thank God we blew that engine plus a spare. Then,, for the next 3 years we ran an engine I built,but,was no match for heads up. Most Dragracers will never run the events that we do and Linda and I are very fortunate to be able too!! In the final for Class at Belle Rose we ran against a fast 305 Camaro and I took way to much finish line,,but if this wasn't heads up just a dial run,,I would have tightened it up alot less. The final in class at the Baby Gators a 350 Corvette,that final,,again I took too much. Unfortunately both these finals were done with,, Minimum thin oil Iced intake And chilled engine!!! Unfortunately doing this to run 2 tenths faster will shoot us in the foot,,big time!! This whole post is about a group of cars in F,G and H/SA and everyone else from A to Z that can protect themselves with the new rules to be able in Class or heads up to be able to collect that win. Some of these other combos only have 2 to 4 or less so they can sit back and watch us try to save something in case we see them next year. I'm trying to figure out a setup now to be able to run in the "Slot" so we can dial without stomping on the brakes. Happy Saturday!! Bubski,,NO COMMENT!!! LOL

03-25-2023, 09:37 AM	#50
Richard Grant Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West Monroe, La. Posts: 301 Likes: 9 Liked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Re: I need to apologize!! Tim, I have waited 20 years to see the 255 competitive again. I've seen you struggle to reach the level that you have plus the cost involved. I also know you were trying to protect your combo while winning. It appears that some are rejoicing at your mistake. I just hope you continue to pursue your dream as we will also. __________________ Richard Grant 4988 STK