X/stock redux

[Mike Schwartz]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

C'mon ,boys. Time to get off the couch and put those computers to good use. Support those local combos with a dime rocket:

http://www.classracerinfo.com/CGPage...7&MAKE=Granada

Years ago, I had a '78 Fairmont 4-door with a six. A collision killed any thoughts of building it (R-T-U/SA). I did manage to win a gamblers' race at Englishtown while missing the front bumper and grille.

[Billy Nees]

Mark, we've got it all wrong! NHRA doesn't want any more "underclassmen" in their racing program. Apparently, we don't spend (or won't spend) enough money to interest them. They want AAA,AAAA and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/FS and Stock to keep the other end of the Eliminator happy.
Recently, I asked my new DD (a nice kid BTW) to ask about expanding the FWD classes by a couple (or few) because of the amounts of weight that I must add to change classes which basically makes my combos into single-class cars. I got a letter (through him) by Pat C. telling me that I can remove or add 420 lbs. (that's 840 lbs. in a 2600 lb. car!) to my CF/S combo to move classes. He didn't or wouldn't mention my AF/S combo (the car that I was racing on the day that I had my talk with my new DD) which requires a 1200 lb. swing to go to AAF/S or BF/S.

They don't even know their own rules, General Regulations specifically states that a car can't have more than 500 LBS. of removable OR permanent ballast. When I brought this to their attention, I got crickets!

[BG56]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Mark, we've got it all wrong! NHRA doesn't want any more "underclassmen" in their racing program. Apparently, we don't spend (or won't spend) enough money to interest them. They want AAA,AAAA and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/FS and Stock to keep the other end of the Eliminator happy.
Recently, I asked my new DD (a nice kid BTW) to ask about expanding the FWD classes by a couple (or few) because of the amounts of weight that I must add to change classes which basically makes my combos into single-class cars. I got a letter (through him) by Pat C. telling me that I can remove or add 420 lbs. to my CF/S combo to move classes. He didn't or wouldn't mention my AF/S combo (the car that I was racing on the day that I had my talk with my new DD) which requires a 1200 lb. swing to go to AAF/S or BF/S.

They don't even know their own rules, General Regulations specifically states that a car can't have more than 500 LBS. of removable OR permanent ballast. When I brought this to their attention, I got crickets!

Not to mention WHERE would you fit SIX Avg. GROWN MEN??!

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Mark, we've got it all wrong! NHRA doesn't want any more "underclassmen" in their racing program. Apparently, we don't spend (or won't spend) enough money to interest them. They want AAA,AAAA and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/FS and Stock to keep the other end of the Eliminator happy.
Recently, I asked my new DD (a nice kid BTW) to ask about expanding the FWD classes by a couple (or few) because of the amounts of weight that I must add to change classes which basically makes my combos into single-class cars. I got a letter (through him) by Pat C. telling me that I can remove or add 420 lbs. (that's 840 lbs. in a 2600 lb. car!) to my CF/S combo to move classes. He didn't or wouldn't mention my AF/S combo (the car that I was racing on the day that I had my talk with my new DD) which requires a 1200 lb. swing to go to AAF/S or BF/S.

They don't even know their own rules, General Regulations specifically states that a car can't have more than 500 LBS. of removable OR permanent ballast. When I brought this to their attention, I got crickets!

I almost said ..unbelievable , but then again, it IS..

[Tom Meyer]

Seems to me there was a article about the 153 in a book that showed the things they did with them for some kind of mini sprint. They were putting a sb chevy head on it, same head gasket? And may have used 283 pistons in them. What is the bore size and stroke on the 153? I have a beat to crap 64 not rusty 4 door that is V8 car I would give to the cause. Tom

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Tom Meyer

Seems to me there was a article about the 153 in a book that showed the things they did with them for some kind of mini sprint. They were putting a sb chevy head on it, same head gasket? And may have used 283 pistons in them. What is the bore size and stroke on the 153? I have a beat to crap 64 not rusty 4 door that is V8 car I would give to the cause. Tom

Hi Tom! You would re-tap the block for the SBC head. Bore spacings are the same. A 153 and a 230 both use 283 pistons but have a 3.25 (307) stroke.

Please don't mention that '64 4 door again in front of Yac please!!!!! Bad things could happen.

[Tom Meyer]

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Please don't mention that '64 4 door again in front of Yac please!!!!! Bad things could happen.[/QUOTE]

Loge is headed that way, could send it. Tom

[Henrys Toy]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Hi Tom! You would re-tap the block for the SBC head. Bore spacings are the same. A 153 and a 230 both use 283 pistons but have a 3.25 (307) stroke.

Please don't mention that '64 4 door again in front of Yac please!!!!! Bad things could happen.

Good morning Billy and to all,
That 3.250 stroke is a 327 crank too.
The 1969 153 engine lists the rod as 5.700 with a 2.000 rod journal.
Then this also brings up a discussion that you and I had about bolting on the 305 head with the better intake valve and runner. Obviously that conversion (305 head) isn't a NHRA legal conversion for Stock or Super Stock. I'd still be curious to get a look at or a couple of pictures of what the 153 four cylinder head looks like. I better stop this or this might wind up in my Nova with Henry Jr. behind the wheel.

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA

P.S. bore and stroke is - 3.875 (std.) bore and 3.250 stroke (307 & 327)

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Tom Meyer

Seems to me there was a article about the 153 in a book that showed the things they did with them for some kind of mini sprint. They were putting a sb chevy head on it, same head gasket? And may have used 283 pistons in them. What is the bore size and stroke on the 153? I have a beat to crap 64 not rusty 4 door that is V8 car I would give to the cause. Tom

Tom., Thanks but way too heavy for W weight.
64 had the heavier suspension and 5 lug wheels too (anticipating the V8 ? )

[Billy Nees]

Wow Yac, you must be getting old! When Tom mentioned that '64 was originally a V8 car, a 283/4 speed combo (2V or 4V) went through my head. Not to mention, I seem to remember some 283 SS combos with too many doors.