Stock and Super Stock qualiying

Fred Elsass · 07-28-2023, 08:43 PM

What is the purpose????????????????????

I did an analyses of the top ten qualifiers several years ago and very seldom are they in the semi's

If you doubt this have NITRO JOE do it.

The only possible positive is you might get a bye run.

If you can run the index you are competitive.

I guess it is all EGO,. You know the mine is bigger than yours thing.

Oh well, have a go at me, will check back on your responses in a couple of weeks. It is ok to call me an A#$ H&**.

Just asking

Sarge

MR DERBY CITY · 07-28-2023, 11:53 PM

Only one purpose Sarge, to set the ladder. Someone has to be number one.

07-29-2023, 07:14 AM

It’s the way we have been run since the inception of our class I believe. Not having a predetermined ladder based off qualification, competition could pick their first round opponent’s by just waiting and following them in. In a normal bracket race that’s fine because everyone is equal. We are not because of the possibility of heads up races during eliminations. Obviously cars are at a different performance level and advantage than others. Just my take. I take it you’re not a fan?

JeremyDuncan · 07-29-2023, 07:30 AM

Random Pairing sucks.

Would you have it laddered for 2nd rd on or random through out eliminations?

If laddered for 2nd round would you base the ladder of indexes, closest to dial in or reaction time?

Bench Racer · 07-29-2023, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Elsass

What is the purpose????????????????????

I did an analyses of the top ten qualifiers several years ago and very seldom are they in the semi's

If you doubt this have NITRO JOE do it.

The only possible positive is you might get a bye run.

If you can run the index you are competitive.

I guess it is all EGO,. You know the mine is bigger than yours thing.

Oh well, have a go at me, will check back on your responses in a couple of weeks. It is ok to call me an A#$ H&**.

Just asking

Sarge

Sarge, I kinda got to agree with you. My late brother (David Jackson) had some fast Super Stockers over the over the last 40 years. We talked a lot about the racers that were always top qualifiers vs the finalist, Biondo and Bertozzi were always the first two that came up when talking about the finals. David said for the last 12 or so years "I can't drive a lick anymore but if I get em heads up I'll catch em at 1000foot mark and ride with them lol" Donald Jackson

BRETV · 07-29-2023, 10:21 AM

That's what makes Stock and Superstock such a great class. It's 2 types of racing, it has performance based heads up racing and bracket racing all wrapped in one. Some guys love the heads up stuff (mine is bigger than yours thing) that's where the qualifying comes into the picture. They're happy to qualify high and that makes them feel good and if they do well in the eliminator that's icing on the cake. Other guys like the bracket part better and play the qualifying game to set up the eliminator. It's been run this way from the beginning and IMHO it's WAY COOL!!!

Bret Velde
2003 ??/SA

Randall Klein · 07-29-2023, 10:55 AM

Qualifying is a known benchmark in a performance based class. Trying to extract maximum performance within fairly restrictive rules is the challenge. If you approach the line on "kill" you are acknowledging you may not take it home in one piece...stupid?, Yes but some thrive on the edge...there is great satisfaction in qualifying position even though
there is no real benefit

As Garth Brooks sings, you can stand outside the fire, life is not tried, it is merely survived, if you stand outside the fire

B Parker · 07-29-2023, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randall Klein

Qualifying is a known benchmark in a performance based class. Trying to extract maximum performance within fairly restrictive rules is the challenge. If you approach the line on "kill" you are acknowledging you may not take it home in one piece...stupid?, Yes but some thrive on the edge...there is great satisfaction in qualifying position even though
there is no real benefit

As Garth Brooks sings, you can stand outside the fire, life is not tried, it is merely survived, if you stand outside the fire

Randall Whoever changed the AHFS this year to what we have now really has no idea about what makes some of us tic. Or maybe they have stock in racing oil companies. It used to be how many quarts you could get away with running without hurting your motor. Now it's how many can you run without making whip cream out of it and hurting parts. BP

Mark Yacavone · 07-29-2023, 10:53 PM

Some of you might remember (I'm sure Sarge will) when you had to wait 2-3 weeks to see who made the top 16.
First thing some would look at...Then the record page.
Maybe it's not such a big deal today, with store bought engines, transmissions, and complete cars,..plus, up to 128 cars that all run under the index.
I wouldn't want to see it changed though.
Maybe just give 10 pts. for no.1, and down to 1 pt. for 10th.

Look out...Incoming !

rboyle · 07-29-2023, 11:29 PM

In Stock it seems to be more of a chance for a heads up in certain classes and that depends on the part of the country you race in. In Super Stock the only thing that decreases the odds is the GT, FSS and Modified classes added a lot more variety thus decreasing the likelihood of running another same class car.
Also getting a bye either 1st 2nd or later rounds is a nice option if you can get it.
Lastly, as a guy that used to Qualify at the bottom regularly, I can tell you that running a guy that is shooting to Qualify in the bottom of the top is not much fun first round.

07-28-2023, 08:43 PM	#1
Fred Elsass Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 127 Likes: 1 Liked 292 Times in 41 Posts	Stock and Super Stock qualiying What is the purpose???????????????????? I did an analyses of the top ten qualifiers several years ago and very seldom are they in the semi's If you doubt this have NITRO JOE do it. The only possible positive is you might get a bye run. If you can run the index you are competitive. I guess it is all EGO,. You know the mine is bigger than yours thing. Oh well, have a go at me, will check back on your responses in a couple of weeks. It is ok to call me an A#$ H&**. Just asking Sarge

07-28-2023, 11:53 PM	#2
MR DERBY CITY VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Derby City, USA Posts: 3,618 Likes: 1,074 Liked 7,802 Times in 1,500 Posts	Re: Stock and Super Stock qualiying Only one purpose Sarge, to set the ladder. Someone has to be number one.

07-29-2023, 07:14 AM	#3
Todd Hoven Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Stock and Super Stock qualiying It’s the way we have been run since the inception of our class I believe. Not having a predetermined ladder based off qualification, competition could pick their first round opponent’s by just waiting and following them in. In a normal bracket race that’s fine because everyone is equal. We are not because of the possibility of heads up races during eliminations. Obviously cars are at a different performance level and advantage than others. Just my take. I take it you’re not a fan?

07-29-2023, 07:30 AM	#4
JeremyDuncan Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 264 Likes: 1,155 Liked 351 Times in 79 Posts	Re: Stock and Super Stock qualiying Random Pairing sucks. Would you have it laddered for 2nd rd on or random through out eliminations? If laddered for 2nd round would you base the ladder of indexes, closest to dial in or reaction time?

07-29-2023, 10:21 AM	#6
BRETV Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 561 Likes: 4,092 Liked 768 Times in 196 Posts	Re: Stock and Super Stock qualiying That's what makes Stock and Superstock such a great class. It's 2 types of racing, it has performance based heads up racing and bracket racing all wrapped in one. Some guys love the heads up stuff (mine is bigger than yours thing) that's where the qualifying comes into the picture. They're happy to qualify high and that makes them feel good and if they do well in the eliminator that's icing on the cake. Other guys like the bracket part better and play the qualifying game to set up the eliminator. It's been run this way from the beginning and IMHO it's WAY COOL!!! Bret Velde 2003 ??/SA

07-29-2023, 10:55 AM	#7
Randall Klein Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 785 Likes: 45 Liked 316 Times in 67 Posts	Re: Stock and Super Stock qualiying Qualifying is a known benchmark in a performance based class. Trying to extract maximum performance within fairly restrictive rules is the challenge. If you approach the line on "kill" you are acknowledging you may not take it home in one piece...stupid?, Yes but some thrive on the edge...there is great satisfaction in qualifying position even though there is no real benefit As Garth Brooks sings, you can stand outside the fire, life is not tried, it is merely survived, if you stand outside the fire

07-29-2023, 10:53 PM	#9
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,802 Likes: 2,891 Liked 5,097 Times in 1,943 Posts	Re: Stock and Super Stock qualiying Some of you might remember (I'm sure Sarge will) when you had to wait 2-3 weeks to see who made the top 16. First thing some would look at...Then the record page. Maybe it's not such a big deal today, with store bought engines, transmissions, and complete cars,..plus, up to 128 cars that all run under the index. I wouldn't want to see it changed though. Maybe just give 10 pts. for no.1, and down to 1 pt. for 10th. Look out...Incoming ! __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

07-29-2023, 11:29 PM	#10
rboyle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 603 Likes: 1,453 Liked 586 Times in 162 Posts	Re: Stock and Super Stock qualiying In Stock it seems to be more of a chance for a heads up in certain classes and that depends on the part of the country you race in. In Super Stock the only thing that decreases the odds is the GT, FSS and Modified classes added a lot more variety thus decreasing the likelihood of running another same class car. Also getting a bye either 1st 2nd or later rounds is a nice option if you can get it. Lastly, as a guy that used to Qualify at the bottom regularly, I can tell you that running a guy that is shooting to Qualify in the bottom of the top is not much fun first round.