Joe Newbie, 20 Builds a "Stocker"' in 2023

Woodfin · 08-14-2023, 08:56 AM

I think it is a good story. Us old, experienced racers can easily lose sight of where we came from. I am curious about the direction of this story. It is my hope the new racer can be encouraged and coached, because, you never know, he could be a winner.

Mark Yacavone · 08-14-2023, 12:01 PM

(we continue with our satirical fairy tale)

NB gazes back into his truck bed. Well, I got a distributor anyway LOL..
VR> Nope.Put that in the scrap pile too. Nobody uses points anymore. You need an MSD distributor, 6AL ignition box with 2 step limiter , MSD coil, brake pressure switch, and pressure gauge for inside the car. You won't be able to cut a good light in that big, heavy car, without all that stuff. This ain't bracket racing. They won't let you deep stage either ..Only the Pro's can do that.

VR> While we're talking electronics, you'll need an electric water pump that bolts to the front of the engine, a gear reduction starter, a mini alternator, and an aluminum pulley to drive it..Oh. and aluminum radiators are legal now too.
So throw away all that ancient original stuff.

By now NB is wondering what he's got himself into..
Atleast I've got the PG trans..
VR> Sell that to a bracket racer..You need a metric 200 3 speed, metric converter, and an SFI approved flex plate. You're talking 2, 3 ,4 , maybe 5 grand for the trans, depending on options, plus 1200 + for the converter and flex plate. Of course you need a good 3 speed shifter too.

NB> How come the 3 speed is legal?
VR> Well, the guys that had to run PGs complained to NHRA, because all the new car guys had 3 speeds and they didn't so they just said okay.
That's the same with a lot of this stuff. Guys wanted these after market parts for their own agenda, so they bent NHRA's ear until they got what they wanted. The guys that didn't need 'em didn't protest , but instead went out and bought all this stuff too. I figure they let all this stuff in so they could shake 'em down for contingency money, racer than paying out much themselves, to the racers. Now they even charge you for the manufacturer's decal, so you can claim someone else's money..

By now, NB's head is spinning...

TBC

Mark Yacavone · 08-14-2023, 12:04 PM

I'll be back tonight. I actually have to finish installing my own MSD with rev limiter today ;-)

rick winchester · 08-14-2023, 01:02 PM

Wow what kind of downers are you on ? I know you are just tossing **** to the wall to see if it sticks.At least half of the things VR wanted are not even needed period. The combo you picked will run a half second under with 283 hp /stock rods/ cast pistons stock block/ 459 intake Yac Blue Streak con. and one of your low buck turbo 200 trans. All the other things needed are required no matter what combo you build . I would hope that if a newbie came to me for advice I could help them get going without breaking the bank. Get it running and enjoy racing then make it fast as time and money allows . Rick .

Mike Pearson · 08-14-2023, 01:22 PM

I have been racing my car for almost 46 years. I do everything on it. I don’t have an engine guy or a transmission guy or chassis guy. My stuff is slow but is an awesome race car. I have won on the NHRA division level and IHRA pro am level against some world champion drivers. So it can be done. I have even won class 4 times for a total of 5 Wally’s right now I run .4 too .5 under. My goal when I go to the track is to cut a good light and run the dial. If I get a heads up I just race the same way. I have had a few lately and went home early. That’s just part of the game. I accept it and move on. At the last 2 races I lost by a total margin of .005.
I enjoy the racing win or loose.

Mark Yacavone · 08-14-2023, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rick winchester

Wow what kind of downers are you on ? I know you are just tossing **** to the wall to see if it sticks.At least half of the things VR wanted are not even needed period. The combo you picked will run a half second under with 283 hp /stock rods/ cast pistons stock block/ 459 intake Yac Blue Streak con. and one of your low buck turbo 200 trans. All the other things needed are required no matter what combo you build . I would hope that if a newbie came to me for advice I could help them get going without breaking the bank. Get it running and enjoy racing then make it fast as time and money allows . Rick .

Rick,
Easy, buddy... I'll get to my point here..
You've got to imagine VR as your most common type of racer in 2023, as I see it.
He's not a Billy Nees type, or even an MY.
I picked this combo for a reason, and I'm not even half way through it...
Let it play out, and I'll even sharpshoot my own thread.

rick winchester · 08-14-2023, 03:23 PM

Just pulling your chain some too. Interesting subject though ,hope more youngsters get into stockers/superstock. I need something to watch after my hat is handed to me in the first round. Rick

2tone · 08-14-2023, 05:19 PM

what after market crank is approved?

08-14-2023, 08:56 AM	#1
Woodfin Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kilgore TX Posts: 540 Likes: 8 Liked 288 Times in 109 Posts	Re: Joe Newbie, 20 Builds a "Stocker"' in 2023 I think it is a good story. Us old, experienced racers can easily lose sight of where we came from. I am curious about the direction of this story. It is my hope the new racer can be encouraged and coached, because, you never know, he could be a winner.

08-14-2023, 12:01 PM	#2
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,822 Likes: 2,916 Liked 5,133 Times in 1,957 Posts	Re: Joe Newbie, 20 Builds a "Stocker"' in 2023 (we continue with our satirical fairy tale) NB gazes back into his truck bed. Well, I got a distributor anyway LOL.. VR> Nope.Put that in the scrap pile too. Nobody uses points anymore. You need an MSD distributor, 6AL ignition box with 2 step limiter , MSD coil, brake pressure switch, and pressure gauge for inside the car. You won't be able to cut a good light in that big, heavy car, without all that stuff. This ain't bracket racing. They won't let you deep stage either ..Only the Pro's can do that. VR> While we're talking electronics, you'll need an electric water pump that bolts to the front of the engine, a gear reduction starter, a mini alternator, and an aluminum pulley to drive it..Oh. and aluminum radiators are legal now too. So throw away all that ancient original stuff. By now NB is wondering what he's got himself into.. Atleast I've got the PG trans.. VR> Sell that to a bracket racer..You need a metric 200 3 speed, metric converter, and an SFI approved flex plate. You're talking 2, 3 ,4 , maybe 5 grand for the trans, depending on options, plus 1200 + for the converter and flex plate. Of course you need a good 3 speed shifter too. NB> How come the 3 speed is legal? VR> Well, the guys that had to run PGs complained to NHRA, because all the new car guys had 3 speeds and they didn't so they just said okay. That's the same with a lot of this stuff. Guys wanted these after market parts for their own agenda, so they bent NHRA's ear until they got what they wanted. The guys that didn't need 'em didn't protest , but instead went out and bought all this stuff too. I figure they let all this stuff in so they could shake 'em down for contingency money, racer than paying out much themselves, to the racers. Now they even charge you for the manufacturer's decal, so you can claim someone else's money.. By now, NB's head is spinning... TBC __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

08-14-2023, 12:04 PM	#3
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,822 Likes: 2,916 Liked 5,133 Times in 1,957 Posts	Re: Joe Newbie, 20 Builds a "Stocker"' in 2023 I'll be back tonight. I actually have to finish installing my own MSD with rev limiter today ;-) __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

08-14-2023, 01:02 PM	#4
rick winchester Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: cincinnati ohio Posts: 211 Likes: 315 Liked 208 Times in 35 Posts	Re: Joe Newbie, 20 Builds a "Stocker"' in 2023 Wow what kind of downers are you on ? I know you are just tossing **** to the wall to see if it sticks.At least half of the things VR wanted are not even needed period. The combo you picked will run a half second under with 283 hp /stock rods/ cast pistons stock block/ 459 intake Yac Blue Streak con. and one of your low buck turbo 200 trans. All the other things needed are required no matter what combo you build . I would hope that if a newbie came to me for advice I could help them get going without breaking the bank. Get it running and enjoy racing then make it fast as time and money allows . Rick . __________________ Rick Winchester Stk 3277

08-14-2023, 01:22 PM	#5
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,460 Likes: 620 Liked 1,946 Times in 587 Posts	Re: Joe Newbie, 20 Builds a "Stocker"' in 2023 I have been racing my car for almost 46 years. I do everything on it. I don’t have an engine guy or a transmission guy or chassis guy. My stuff is slow but is an awesome race car. I have won on the NHRA division level and IHRA pro am level against some world champion drivers. So it can be done. I have even won class 4 times for a total of 5 Wally’s right now I run .4 too .5 under. My goal when I go to the track is to cut a good light and run the dial. If I get a heads up I just race the same way. I have had a few lately and went home early. That’s just part of the game. I accept it and move on. At the last 2 races I lost by a total margin of .005. I enjoy the racing win or loose. __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

08-14-2023, 03:23 PM	#7
rick winchester Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: cincinnati ohio Posts: 211 Likes: 315 Liked 208 Times in 35 Posts	Re: Joe Newbie, 20 Builds a "Stocker"' in 2023 Just pulling your chain some too. Interesting subject though ,hope more youngsters get into stockers/superstock. I need something to watch after my hat is handed to me in the first round. Rick __________________ Rick Winchester Stk 3277

08-14-2023, 05:19 PM	#8
2tone Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 6 Likes: 101 Liked 9 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Joe Newbie, 20 Builds a "Stocker"' in 2023 what after market crank is approved?