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Old 09-13-2023, 08:36 AM   #1
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Change for change sake is not always a good thing. That is still a super stock class so leave it as is. There is no good reason to make that change
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Old 09-13-2023, 11:35 AM   #2
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.400 Pro Tree gets my vote!
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Old 09-13-2023, 02:19 PM   #3
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Change for change sake is not always a good thing. That is still a super stock class so leave it as is. There is no good reason to make that change
The Hemi Challenge is part of the show, it's not a part of the regular Superstock eliminator.
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Old 09-13-2023, 11:35 PM   #4
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The Hemi Challenge is part of the show, it's not a part of the regular Superstock eliminator.
But are the Hemi Shoot Out contestants not eligible to do both, and enter the S/S Eliminator program? Which would mean 2 very different starting scenarios.
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Old 09-14-2023, 01:46 AM   #5
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But are the Hemi Shoot Out contestants not eligible to do both, and enter the S/S Eliminator program? Which would mean 2 very different starting scenarios.
Sure, and it's fair in the Hemi shootout, all heads up same cars and fair in the eliminator, the same tree for everyone. I bracket raced at Hampton and National all through the 70s with a 4 tenths pro start at National and a 5 amber tree at Hampton with my Sport Fury and my 67 Cuda, not a problem adjusting to it. I won or runnered up 38 times at Hampton and 7 weeks straight at National with none of the electronic toys drivers have available now, I still have most of the time slips. Some of today's drivers hop from a slow stocker to a Super Comp and do well with both.

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Sure, and it's fair in the Hemi shootout, all heads up same cars and fair in the eliminator, the same tree for everyone. I bracket raced at Hampton and National all through the 70s with a 4 tenths pro start at National and a 5 amber tree at Hampton with my Sport Fury and my 67 Cuda, not a problem adjusting to it. I won or runnered up 38 times at Hampton and 7 weeks straight at National with none of the electronic toys drivers have available now, I still have most of the time slips. Some of today's drivers hop from a slow stocker to a Super Comp and do well with both.
The difference is the Hemi Shootout cars don’t get to make separate qualifying runs for the shootout and the eliminator, do they? There wouldn’t be opportunities to set up properly for both types of tree.
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Old 09-14-2023, 10:55 AM   #7
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The difference is the Hemi Shootout cars don’t get to make separate qualifying runs for the shootout and the eliminator, do they? There wouldn’t be opportunities to set up properly for both types of tree.
I could be wrong but I'm thinking most of them are there for the shootout and some don't run the eliminator, it would end most if not all of the red lights and in a way be like old school Pro Stock with both cars fighting until the end.
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Old 09-14-2023, 01:15 PM   #8
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Still SS well It might be classified as SS but now that they can run Comp, I think horse left the barn a long time ago. The Boys want a Pro Light for Hemi Challange let have it. Does add another element to that race.

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ALL heads up runs should be Pro Tree
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ALL heads up runs should be Pro Tree

I can't disagree, but can't see that ever be in effect. For that to happen, the clock operator would have to exit the entry page, go back to one or more of the previous pages and then make the change. And remember to do the same for the next pair.

In all my time in the tower working points races, most of the clock operators were fighting for their life to keep up. Sun glare meant they couldn't always read the numbers, different towers were located where they didn't always have a clear view, and there was a need to work quickly. Without slamming anybody, I'd say that only 25% at best were like machines in getting the job done. The only think I could think of is when a racer changed classes up or down that a new bar code would have to be made. The only thing I can think of is that often racers change classes up or down and it might be a pain for them to get an updated bar code sticker.


Came back to write that years and years ago I had a conversation with Brockmeyer where he told me his current hot project was to develop a bar code reader where every car would be automatically entered into the computer before it pulled to the line. That obviously didn't happen but I never heard why.

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