U/SA

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

Like any “ringer” the hp will be put back on a few at a time though.

Ya know, I personally believe that the 302 FFFFord deal turned out to be a good thing even though I didn't think so at first. A bunch of cars got built and that's a good thing.
However, NHRA should have taken a lesson from this and dropped the factors on a lot more lo/po combos.
The thing that I see when dealing with the 302s is that NHRA considers each body and year as a separate combo because of FFFFord's way of "part-numbering heads and manifolds by year, making HP hits a long, drawn out thing.
My 307 and 301 stuff has different numbered heads and intakes and even different cam specs but they're all (largely) considered the same.

But this is O/T so, "back to our regularly-scheduled program".

[Glenn Briglio]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know, I personally believe that the 302 FFFFord deal turned out to be a good thing even though I didn't think so at first. A bunch of cars got built and that's a good thing.
However, NHRA should have taken a lesson from this and dropped the factors on a lot more lo/po combos.
The thing that I see when dealing with the 302s is that NHRA considers each body and year as a separate combo because of FFFFord's way of "part-numbering heads and manifolds by year, making HP hits a long, drawn out thing.
My 307 and 301 stuff has different numbered heads and intakes and even different cam specs but they're all (largely) considered the same.

But this is O/T so, "back to our regularly-scheduled program".

Billy you know you want to build a fffford.

[Jeff Teuton]

How many of us remember he U/SA shootout at no problem raceway. I know Ron was there as were about a dozen U/SA competitors. We had special parking for the U/SA players and the time trials were all themselves. Lot of fun and would be fun again. Who else remembers beside me??

[Rory McNeil]

Being a Ford guy, maybe I am a bit biased, but all NHRA did was lower the 302 2 barrel combos back to the factories original HP rating. It had been factored to 200 HP across the board , which I believe, was way too high, which would likely explain why nobody was running those combinations. Now, what about many other combinations, that NHRA dropped the HP ratings, well BELOW the factory ratings? Guess nobody seems to mind when THOSE cars qualify at or near the top, not to mention are allowed to run a bunch of "accepted" aftermarket components, which are not available to some other engines, including the 302 2 barrel Fords, or for that matter many of the "lower classed" combos.

[goinbroke2]

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

Being a Ford guy, maybe I am a bit biased, but all NHRA did was lower the 302 2 barrel combos back to the factories original HP rating. It had been factored to 200 HP across the board , which I believe, was way too high, which would likely explain why nobody was running those combinations. Now, what about many other combinations, that NHRA dropped the HP ratings, well BELOW the factory ratings? Guess nobody seems to mind when THOSE cars qualify at or near the top, not to mention are allowed to run a bunch of "accepted" aftermarket components, which are not available to some other engines, including the 302 2 barrel Fords, or for that matter many of the "lower classed" combos.

You mean, like a certain corvette a few years ago??

Agree 100%

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

Being a Ford guy, maybe I am a bit biased, but all NHRA did was lower the 302 2 barrel combos back to the factories original HP rating. It had been factored to 200 HP across the board , which I believe, was way too high, which would likely explain why nobody was running those combinations. Now, what about many other combinations, that NHRA dropped the HP ratings, well BELOW the factory ratings? Guess nobody seems to mind when THOSE cars qualify at or near the top, not to mention are allowed to run a bunch of "accepted" aftermarket components, which are not available to some other engines, including the 302 2 barrel Fords, or for that matter many of the "lower classed" combos.

Hi Rory,
You know me..an occasional Ford guy, but this has been my problem with the wholesale de-factoring of the 302.
Why just them? What about everyone else getting back factory hp?
Fair is fair, right?

http://www.classracerinfo.com/CGPage...9&MAKE=Mustang

1980 255 V8 is rated higher than most 302 2 bbl's
http://www.classracerinfo.com/CGPage...0&MAKE=Mustang
Does that make any sense...to anyone?

[Jack McCarthy]

If you gonna give 300 combinations -30 hp on one pen stroke (and I’m sure wasn’t even ask for) then by god if one gets hit with hp they all should if it’s a herd thing. All I’ll say is I’ll be there. Mike Graham was only one to truly “build” one for BJ… I put a 008 light in her went -134 in 3000 ft of air and she kicked my *** by 1.5 wagon lengths. So if Mike puts the tune up back in that lil mustang it’ll be hard to beat. And yes mr Tustin we had a blast Daran Summerton didn’t sober up till Tuesday. And damnit I pushed the beams and Bear Tarrance got the Wally

Done preaching >>> and the 302 hp guy hosed me again on the elcamino 😡

[Rory McNeil]

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

If you gonna give 300 combinations -30 hp on one pen stroke (and I’m sure wasn’t even ask for) then by god if one gets hit with hp they all should if it’s a herd thing. All I’ll say is I’ll be there. Mike Graham was only one to truly “build” one for BJ… I put a 008 light in her went -134 in 3000 ft of air and she kicked my *** by 1.5 wagon lengths. So if Mike puts the tune up back in that lil mustang it’ll be hard to beat. And yes mr Tustin we had a blast Daran Summerton didn’t sober up till Tuesday. And damnit I pushed the beams and Bear Tarrance got the Wally

Done preaching >>> and the 302 hp guy hosed me again on the elcamino 😡

Jack, I assume that you are aware that there were several different 302 2 barrel combinations, different piston volume, head ccs, cam lift, carb size, etc, not to mention car models, suspensions, wheelbases etc. So if your opinion is that if one 302 2 barrel gets hit, every 302 2 barrel combination should also get hit, would it not be fair to in your mind, that if, say a 1966 Nova with a 283 4 barrel got hit, so should every 283 4 barrel combination, including a 1960 Brookswood station wagon with a 283 4 barrel ? Or would that not be fair?

[jmantle]

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

Being a Ford guy, maybe I am a bit biased, but all NHRA did was lower the 302 2 barrel combos back to the factories original HP rating. It had been factored to 200 HP across the board , which I believe, was way too high, which would likely explain why nobody was running those combinations. Now, what about many other combinations, that NHRA dropped the HP ratings, well BELOW the factory ratings? Guess nobody seems to mind when THOSE cars qualify at or near the top, not to mention are allowed to run a bunch of "accepted" aftermarket components, which are not available to some other engines, including the 302 2 barrel Fords, or for that matter many of the "lower classed" combos.

Rory, I don't deny the 302 combos needed a little help to be competitive but to put them back to factory was overkill. NHRA has to take into consideration what makes sense and that wasn't done in this case. My car is a natural U car and was competitive in U before the Fords received their big gift. I was one of the lucky ones, 300 lbs of ballast and it's a V car but the other V8 cars didn't have this available to them.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

[goinbroke2]

I've always wanted to build a stocker, no way can I afford it, so I'll buy....I'm a ford guy so I can buy a "CJ for $125,000" or a "351C for $70,000" or once in a while, far, far away (in the states, lol) I'll see a pinto/escort/foxbody. There are your ford choices if you want to run a ford in Stock.

302 2bbl is a way I can build a "known killer combo" and being the first time and putting what I can afford into it, hopefully run the index with it.
If it somehow does a -1.00 locally in U, then I'll run T as I'm not going to take top qual as a newby with a contentious combo.

As far as the rest.....
Yes, if the same issue is true for another combo, it should get the same treatment. Somebody mentioned 318 2bbl, if nobody is building them because they are way too high, drop them to factory and let a bunch of cars get built.

Perhaps if a combo hasn't been built or run for X amount of time, hp should be reverted to stock hp? Kind of like records?