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Old 12-16-2023, 02:41 PM   #1
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The one second under run shows the potential of the combination. Owners of slower cars with the same combination do not deserve welfare. They have been shown what's possible....
BUT, here in the 21ST century these one second under runs are being made by cars which aren't being looked at. Wouldn't it be a real injustice to the "slower cars with the same combination" if the one second under runs are being made by cars that wouldn't pass a teardown?
What ARE the odds of being torndown at a race today? Even if a car makes a one second under run?

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Old 12-16-2023, 02:51 PM   #2
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BUT, here in the 21ST century these one second under runs are being made by cars which aren't being looked at. Wouldn't it be a real injustice to the "slower cars with the same combination" if the one second under runs are being made by cars that wouldn't pass a teardown?
What ARE the odds of being torndown at a race today? Even if a car makes a one second under run?

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More tech would make the AHFS more fair if it meant a level playing field...

So with the schedules and lack of inspectors, how does one implement the process?
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Old 12-16-2023, 03:16 PM   #3
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I jump in this subject and I know I will put more “fuel to the flames”. ( please don’t shoot the messenger here…)
But how about changing all those irritating rules with a “personal index” like the competition eliminator category.
No more sandbags, no more .85 under, no more one second under. Run at the pace than you want with the pocket that you have and please with a maximum of cars field, everywhere possible…
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I have said for years that, at the very least, any "instant HP hit" run should result in an old school national record level tear down.


One old school tech guy once told me that you'll find less than 1% as many rules infractions among the ten fastest cars at any given event than you will in the bottom ten cars. Of course, he was speaking of the guys running traditional cars, who were consistently fast over a period of years. And, as with any "rule", you will find exceptions.
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Old 12-16-2023, 03:50 PM   #5
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One old school tech guy once told me that you'll find less than 1% as many rules infractions among the ten fastest cars at any given event than you will in the bottom ten cars.
I've been told the same thing and for the longest time I believed it. I'm not so sure anymore.
Too many times I've been told "he's cheating so I'm gonna cheat too" and "you're gonna be OK as long as you don't go to Indy".
As I've said before, too many big egos.
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Old 12-16-2023, 07:13 PM   #6
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I am not against some of the "trigger cars" getting looked at. Including mine.
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Old 12-17-2023, 03:40 PM   #7
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Mr PJ305 the -860 under was just there average over all , and if it is over -850 it gets HP . The amount of HP was off there fastest run what was in the -1.00 column . That's how I read the new system rules . I still wonder how many combos had an average of -849 ?
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