Make Divisionals Great Again - Page 18

mike natoli · 12-28-2023, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

What has been the attraction for bracket racers and track owners to push 1/8 mile racing? I know just about all bracket racing has gone this way. Money, Time, profit margin?

I have attended NHRA Div 1 track operators meetings and what I'm now hearing is that Safety of these big speed cars going another 660'. They are saying it is not worth the risk any more. Some tracks can not afford the traction compound or the time it takes to dry the track, clean ups are reduced less oil dry, although diapers have saved a lot of wrecked race cars, and the event seems to run significantly quicker. I use to drive past Islip Speedway an 1/8 mile track to race @ NY National and LID. All those tracks have closed. Now they are back to a runway 1/8mile.

James Perrone · 12-29-2023, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

What has been the attraction for bracket racers and track owners to push 1/8 mile racing? I know just about all bracket racing has gone this way. Money,Time, profit margin?

People would rather flip coins than race
Dragracing used to require a pair of balls as opposed half track racing

mike natoli · 12-30-2023, 08:48 AM

300 mph in 660' do you have the balls???

1320racer · 12-30-2023, 10:25 AM

NHRA Professional classes which is an entertainment venue is not going to go 1/8th mile in this decade or the next IF it still exists in the next but the divisional sportsman classes which is what this thread is about will without question because the track owners, many of which are breaking even at best, some of which are losing $ will demand it to lower their operational costs, otherwise they will no longer host a divisional. That day is on the horizon! Either that or the NHRA will have to lower their fee the a track pays to host a divisional and we know the NHRA ain't doing that.

That said, you can't turn a blind eye nor put your head in the sand to the fact that the core of NHRA sportsman classes is largely 60 and older currently and they are already getting out due to they are no longer competitive, available disposal income, age, health, death and some as well will quit because they are tired and want to do other things in the twilight of their life. This demographic is largely stuck in their ways and won't embrace change, evident by all the complaint threads here but the the generations behind them have and will IF they want to continue to race!

Rory McNeil · 12-31-2023, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 1320racer

NHRA Professional classes which is an entertainment venue is not going to go 1/8th mile in this decade or the next IF it still exists in the next but the divisional sportsman classes which is what this thread is about will without question because the track owners, many of which are breaking even at best, some of which are losing $ will demand it to lower their operational costs, otherwise they will no longer host a divisional. That day is on the horizon! Either that or the NHRA will have to lower their fee the a track pays to host a divisional and we know the NHRA ain't doing that.

That said, you can't turn a blind eye nor put your head in the sand to the fact that the core of NHRA sportsman classes is largely 60 and older currently and they are already getting out due to they are no longer competitive, available disposal income, age, health, death and some as well will quit because they are tired and want to do other things in the twilight of their life. This demographic is largely stuck in their ways and won't embrace change, evident by all the complaint threads here but the the generations behind them have and will IF they want to continue to race!

Curious if 1320 racer will be changing his "name" to 660 racer anytime soon. Have you ever raced a Stock or Super Stock car, or do you just feel as a throttle stop racer, that your opinion about classes that you don`t race in, and likely never have, carries any validity. Maybe your time would be better spent on how to make more power, so you can stay on throttle stop longer,to slow your car down again.

1320racer · 12-31-2023, 08:06 AM

what part of the TRUTH and the FACTS don't you like?

Don Kennedy · 12-31-2023, 10:33 AM

The answer is very simple have NHRA pay part of the Purse and then triple the Purse

to Really Make Divisionals Great Again

Keith 944 · 12-31-2023, 10:42 AM

Sounds great. Where is the other 2/3 coming from? I would think at $225 entry the payout should be better. Or they could promote and pursue companies to double the contingency sponsors, like years ago. You could actually make some decent money with the right products on your ride.
On a side note: with all the acquisitions and equity companies buying up all the suppliers I don’t think that could happen. Still waiting for 2 races payment from “race winning brands” one of those equities

1320racer · 12-31-2023, 10:55 AM

Keith 944..KNOWS!

JGrossijr · 12-31-2023, 01:02 PM

1320racer - We get it. You've posted 40+ times on this topic, and your perspective is clear

Divisionals will never be great
Spectators don't care about Stock & Super Stock racing - It's boring
There is no solution
1/4 mile racing is dead
Younger people don't love cars anymore
Nothing will ever change to benefit the racer
Stock & Super Stock racers are to old and stupid to get it

It's unfortunate that an effort made by a high profile advocate for Stock & Super Stock to have a conversation about how we might improve the experience most of us are so invested in, is relentlessly challenged by you as futile and ignorant.

Bobby Fazio - Thanks for trying. I think most of us share your optimism and appreciate the effort.

12-30-2023, 08:48 AM	#173
mike natoli Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Valley Stream mini Gasoline Alley & Div I Posts: 100 Likes: 25 Liked 51 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Make Divisionals Great Again 300 mph in 660' do you have the balls???

12-30-2023, 10:25 AM	#174
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: Make Divisionals Great Again NHRA Professional classes which is an entertainment venue is not going to go 1/8th mile in this decade or the next IF it still exists in the next but the divisional sportsman classes which is what this thread is about will without question because the track owners, many of which are breaking even at best, some of which are losing $ will demand it to lower their operational costs, otherwise they will no longer host a divisional. That day is on the horizon! Either that or the NHRA will have to lower their fee the a track pays to host a divisional and we know the NHRA ain't doing that. That said, you can't turn a blind eye nor put your head in the sand to the fact that the core of NHRA sportsman classes is largely 60 and older currently and they are already getting out due to they are no longer competitive, available disposal income, age, health, death and some as well will quit because they are tired and want to do other things in the twilight of their life. This demographic is largely stuck in their ways and won't embrace change, evident by all the complaint threads here but the the generations behind them have and will IF they want to continue to race! Last edited by 1320racer; 12-30-2023 at 10:47 AM.

12-31-2023, 08:06 AM	#176
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: Make Divisionals Great Again what part of the TRUTH and the FACTS don't you like?

12-31-2023, 10:33 AM	#177
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: Make Divisionals Great Again The answer is very simple have NHRA pay part of the Purse and then triple the Purse to Really Make Divisionals Great Again __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS

12-31-2023, 10:42 AM	#178
Keith 944 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dela-where? Posts: 2,193 Likes: 1,162 Liked 1,877 Times in 577 Posts	Re: Make Divisionals Great Again Sounds great. Where is the other 2/3 coming from? I would think at $225 entry the payout should be better. Or they could promote and pursue companies to double the contingency sponsors, like years ago. You could actually make some decent money with the right products on your ride. On a side note: with all the acquisitions and equity companies buying up all the suppliers I don’t think that could happen. Still waiting for 2 races payment from “race winning brands” one of those equities __________________ KEITH MAYERS 2-1/2 X somebody Still many X nobody

12-31-2023, 10:55 AM	#179
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: Make Divisionals Great Again Keith 944..KNOWS!

12-31-2023, 01:02 PM	#180
JGrossijr Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Brentwood, California Posts: 98 Likes: 380 Liked 460 Times in 59 Posts	Re: Make Divisionals Great Again 1320racer - We get it. You've posted 40+ times on this topic, and your perspective is clear Divisionals will never be great Spectators don't care about Stock & Super Stock racing - It's boring There is no solution 1/4 mile racing is dead Younger people don't love cars anymore Nothing will ever change to benefit the racer Stock & Super Stock racers are to old and stupid to get it It's unfortunate that an effort made by a high profile advocate for Stock & Super Stock to have a conversation about how we might improve the experience most of us are so invested in, is relentlessly challenged by you as futile and ignorant. Bobby Fazio - Thanks for trying. I think most of us share your optimism and appreciate the effort.