Ways to check on the use of illegal devices

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

The thought occured to me that just maybe there are many ways to check on racers who are using illegal devises to have a advantge of other racers I will start first have a camera Zoom into the drivers compartment showing the tree plus the driver to see when the release the button. Some devices available are wireless traction control, although this is not yet refined ,a way to trip the beams at the finish line , a tree reader ,a wireless delay box ,plus by the way lock up convertors are Being used which are illegal, a remote way from the line by a crew man to release the trans brake via a camera looking at the tree .a person at the finish line to trip the beams with a very simple device similar to your garage door opener. any other suggestions ??

Yes, stop worrying about what you think your competitors might be doing and focus on your program and what you need to improve to be more competitive. Unless your car can run dead on every pass, you can put together .015 packages at will and close up the stripe to .003 everytime, you need to focus on improving your program!

That said, IF a tree reader exists, the racer(s) using it is competing in Big $ bracket racing not stock/super stock.

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Yes, stop worrying about what you think your competitors might be doing and focus on your program and what you need to improve to be more competitive. Unless your car can run dead on every pass, you can put together .015 packages at will and close up the stripe to .003 everytime, you need to focus on improving your program!

That said, IF a tree reader exists, the racer(s) using it is competing in Big $ bracket racing not stock/super stock.

I am not worrying one second about what the competitors are doing never have never will just making a comment on the possiblity that might exists out in racing as a whole the tought occued to me especially at the big money races

[1320racer]

Don, do you compete at BIG $ bracket races? We do and it's a non concern.

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Don, do you compete at BIG $ bracket races? We do and it's a non concern.

I do not attend big$ bracket races but if i did I would make darn sure that my devices that are being used work ok as there is no rules at the races concerning devices ? or is there ?

[1320racer]

Don, we do compete at the BIG $ bracket races, both locally and the Flings and I can tell you without doubt that no one that competes at these events cares if/what illegal devices maybe in use by some racers and the proof is that these races are typically sold out in less than 3 minutes! So all this talk about tree readers, down track position indicators, matty box, etc. is nothing but internet forum noise largely posted by racers like yourself that don't compete at these races. That said, running dead on, cutting .00x lights and taking a few thousands stripe is commonplace and no big deal in the year 2024.

That said, I do believe that ARC modules are being used by some with the Grid.

[Eric Merryfield]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Don, we do compete at the BIG $ bracket races, both locally and the Flings and I can tell you without doubt that no one that competes at these events cares if/what illegal devices maybe in use by some racers and the proof is that these races are typically sold out in less than 3 minutes! So all this talk about tree readers, down track position indicators, matty box, etc. is nothing but internet forum noise largely posted by racers like yourself that don't compete at these races. That said, running dead on, cutting .00x lights and taking a few thousands stripe is commonplace and no big deal in the year 2024.

That said, I do believe that ARC modules are being used by some with the Grid.

Having been to a Fling, those events are on another level.......and sell out because they are BEYOND well run......It ranks in my top ten for full event experiences......Along with Ken's classracer nationals, Tyler and Brians Class Racer Revival, many National Opens in canada, did one bracket race last year at Epping, wasn't concerned at all about illegal stuff, a lot of that stuff is a crutch at best at least in 1/8 mile.

For class racing 1/4 mile I would have an issue with spotters at top end.....The grid with ARC clearly is a no/no for actual class racing,

For non class racing and testing: I can see where it could add a function of safety and be a useful training, and testing tool, and would help keep someone from crashing, which is always bueno.

My guess is that 99% of any illegal activity in stock and superstock is under the hood and not to be found further down car........

[1320racer]

There is no rule prohibiting spotters

[DG]

I had not heard of the ARC referenced above so I looked it up. For those that don't know what the MSD ARC linked with the Grid can do, this is from MSD's website:


"OVERVIEW
Now there is even more control with the PN 7761 module for the Power Grid System Controller. This module sets rpm limits based on slew rate (rpm acceleration) or based on time since launch. All of this is programmed seamlessly in MSD View.

The ARC module stands for Advanced RPM Control, it basically allows your race car to remain consistent, pass after pass, controlling your engines rpm curve during a pass. This helps you get down the track quicker and far more consistent. By using the MSD View software we can control the rpm down to a hundredth of a second and control the driveshaft speed for maximum traction. We can also pull out timing for a split second should we encounter tire slip. Set 3 different timing Retard curves and a Rev Limit Curve to control wheelspin."


Nice video explaining the system here:


Basically, it appears you set the driveshaft rpm curve in the Grid for a given ET, dial in and like magic you run within a hundreth of your dial in.

[David Lee]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Yes, stop worrying about what you think your competitors might be doing and focus on your program and what you need to improve to be more competitive. Unless your car can run dead on every pass, you can put together .015 packages at will and close up the stripe to .003 everytime, you need to focus on improving your program!

That said, IF a tree reader exists, the racer(s) using it is competing in Big $ bracket racing not stock/super stock.

do you really try be be a real horrible person. Go back into you hole

i have known Don for over 20 years. he is a honorable person and if he asked for help most of us would drop what we are doing and rush to help

[1320racer]

so your feelings are hurt by my reply to Don, but his feelings aren't.

At least be honest, your feeble comments have nothing to do with my reply to Don and everything to do with the fact that you don't like that I don't race stock/super stock yet I'm allowed to opine on this forum.

That said, this thread nor my reply is about Don's honor.