Entry level class?

[Keith 944]

Originally Posted by Keith 944

Dammit Billy, you stirred some **** up this time!

I predicted it might go this way….
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[Regan Wilson]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

After reading all the superfluous nonsense of this thread I still believe S/ST is, can and should be the "Entry Level" class. Let's get back to the theme of this thread.

My version of S/ST;
.5 Pro Tree.
10.90 Index.
2800 lbs. minimum.
135 MPH maximum.
NO ELECTRONICS, i.e., Delay Boxes, Throttle Stops, Two Steps or Grids. If I'm forgetting something please let me know.

This will enable beginners to tune their race cars, learn to cut a light and drive the stripe by the seat of their pants and without any enhancements. No mechanical teardowns, but stringent inspection for hidden wiring, also only the basic inspections for compliance and safety.

That would kill the class. No beginners are going to show up at Divisionals and especially Nationals for that. The class is what it is! I looked at the National Dragster online this morning and I'll be damned if they didn't refer to SST as an Entry Level Class In their eyes it it at the National level because we don't run for National points. SST is what it has become for a lot of reasons. There was the old rule that you couldn't run SST and another class at the same race. That was always referred to as the (Scotty Rule) as in Scotty Richardson. He kicked a little too much *** back in the day. Now anyone can run SST and Top Fuel at the same time if they want to.

[Keith 944]

Why would anyone want to come in a class that’s easy anyway? shouldn’t there be some challenge? they have the rules, you build your stuff to the rules. And maybe just maybe you’ll be good at it
This goes for all NHRA classes. or just stay at home and bracket race or play your video games

[AJ Laferty]

Pick a single model car in a slow FWD class so all physics works against weight transfer. Make it a car old enough to be cheap, new enough to still be available across the north. Now, make it a spec racer class. Put a crappy spec skinny tire on it that demands a driver to make it hook creating the great equalizer. Billy N can pick the car because he knows how to make cheap junk fly. The single car spec is necessary to minimize knowledge/experience level for tech inspectors. Yeah, it will be slow, but the racing should be close and cheap enough for anyone to afford.

If you make the ruleset right, the best will come to it. Take a look at "Spec Miata" in road racing. fabulous racing because all the cars are the same (or really close). Keep the rules tight, don't let rule creep happen. For big national events, bring a chassis dyno and anybody that makes too much power goes away. (NASA sports car racing does this, it isn't hard).

[Frank Castros]

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[1700camaro]

Originally Posted by Keith 944

Why would anyone want to come in a class that’s easy anyway? shouldn’t there be some challenge? they have the rules, you build your stuff to the rules. And maybe just maybe you’ll be good at it
This goes for all NHRA classes. or just stay at home and bracket race or play your video games

Pretty sure the newbies would want a class that's easy or perceived that way. The more experienced racer is looking & understands the reasoning for the challenge!

It sounds like you are out of touch with bracket racing. There are many that travel cross country for bracket racing, including myself. It sounds like you think there's no challenge doing it. I've raced S/C & S/ST & big money bracket racing is on par with both. They all have their own, unique skill sets needed to be competitive.

If you or anyone thinks that you are special with your class or classes, you are racing. You're blowing smoke up your own butt.

[Keith 944]

Originally Posted by 1700camaro

Pretty sure the newbies would want a class that's easy or perceived that way. The more experienced racer is looking & understands the reasoning for the challenge!

It sounds like you are out of touch with bracket racing. There are many that travel cross country for bracket racing, including myself. It sounds like you think there's no challenge doing it. I've raced S/C & S/ST & big money bracket racing is on par with both. They all have their own, unique skill sets needed to be competitive.

If you or anyone thinks that you are special with your class or classes, you are racing. You're blowing smoke up your own butt.

Lmao dude, slow down. I was replying to the question of nhra event classes, that does not include bracket racing. And for what it’s worth I won several “big money “ bracket races when $5k was huge! And I was a foot breaker so I guess that should qualify as skills. My original comment is that bracket racing is the only real beginners class, be it trophy, street, jrs what have you. But that it is not an nhra class.

[1320racer]

Keith, pay no mind to this clown. He’s nobody! Definitely not a class racer no a big $ racer. He’s got no Wally’s no big money checks. His definition of a big $ racer is being an also ran every year at the Vegas fling in Pro Et so he can tell the clueless that he races at the Vegas million. Though he’s never competed in the actual million.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Keith 944

how about making stock, stock again? wouldn’t that be the easiest entry-level class ever to actually race a stock vehicle?

Yay! Keith, one of the main "issues" to building an "entry level" Stocker is finding a body for a reasonable price. At least a body that someone other than me would want to build. NHRA needs to somehow get more newer combos in the guide.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Keith, pay no mind to this clown. He’s nobody! Definitely not a class racer no a big $ racer. He’s got no Wally’s no big money checks. His definition of a big $ racer is being an also ran every year at the Vegas fling in Pro Et so he can tell the clueless that he races at the Vegas million. Though he’s never competed in the actual million.

Ya know Ed, one of the greatest quotes I ever heard from a great Racer was from a young Jeff Gordon when he was in his first season of NASCAR and kicking butt. Now I'm probably not going to get this quote just perfect but I'm sure that you'll get the gist of it.
"I am lucky that I was able to get the backing of people who believed in me. The greatest Racers never get the chance that I've gotten because they're never discovered."