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Old 04-20-2024, 02:28 AM   #1
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Both Summit and Jeg's have pulled the entire Speedmaster79 lineup from their sales. Basically terminated their sales. Well done people.
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Old 04-20-2024, 10:33 AM   #2
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Regarding one speedmaster product.. A customer brought over an LS block for me to hone. He also brought his new speedmaster head studs to use with my deck plate. I was absolutely stunned at the low quality of those studs. No efffing way they were anywhere near 190,000 psi or the properly hardened material. The torque response felt odd, quite 'spongy' and sure enough when I removed the deck plate and the studs over half of them had started rolling the threads and almost all the nuts could not be spun off by hand after loosening, had to run them off with a socket the rest of the way. And all of the black oxide was gone in the thread area. Total and complete junk.
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Old 04-20-2024, 11:46 AM   #3
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In my job, I live in the world of counterfeit oversight and surveillance every day for aerospace and aviation products. My employer has the contract to supply all fasteners and hardware to all the US branches of the military and also NATO countries for the next 10 years. As the Director of Quality and Engineering, my technical staff and quality inspectors have to inspect bolts, rivets, washers, fittings, and more, that are used on aircraft, weapon systems, ships, submarines, ground vehicles, and more. Yes, we do find companies trying to pass non-conforming and counterfeit products all the time into the supply chain and it gets reported to the government immediately. However, it can take years for the government to charge and prosecute the bad actors.

If suppliers try to pass counterfeit products in the aerospace and aviation industry, passing counterfeit products in the automotive and consumer products world is easier for them because the industry oversight is lax, or in many cases, it does not exist. There are written laws for US Customs to deter these shipments at the port of entry. However, it is not enforced.

Myself, I will not buy any automotive parts through Amazon. In the past when I did, I received counterfeit NGK spark plugs and O2 sensors. I am even concerned about some of the big chain auto parts stores! I purchased an AC Delco oil filter that the threads looked like they had been filed and it was the same with the other AC Delco oil filters. So went to the local NAPA store and purchased a WIX XP. Purchased a set of NGK high-end plugs through RockAuto which were shipped from a local parts store. Put them on my Chevy 8.1L dually truck and it had a misfire days later. Went to the dealership and paid 3 times the price, put in a set of OEM plugs, and problem solved.

My lesson learned is that for my daily drivers, parts are from the local NAPA store that is run by real car guys and the dealership.
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Old 04-20-2024, 01:25 PM   #4
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Regarding one speedmaster product.. A customer brought over an LS block for me to hone. He also brought his new speedmaster head studs to use with my deck plate. I was absolutely stunned at the low quality of those studs. No efffing way they were anywhere near 190,000 psi or the properly hardened material. The torque response felt odd, quite 'spongy' and sure enough when I removed the deck plate and the studs over half of them had started rolling the threads and almost all the nuts could not be spun off by hand after loosening, had to run them off with a socket the rest of the way. And all of the black oxide was gone in the thread area. Total and complete junk.
Pretty scary Kevin, just think….the majority of our meds are manufactured in China also …..due to AMERICAN GREED……
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Old 04-22-2024, 07:40 AM   #5
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Regarding one speedmaster product.. A customer brought over an LS block for me to hone. He also brought his new speedmaster head studs to use with my deck plate. I was absolutely stunned at the low quality of those studs. No efffing way they were anywhere near 190,000 psi or the properly hardened material. The torque response felt odd, quite 'spongy' and sure enough when I removed the deck plate and the studs over half of them had started rolling the threads and almost all the nuts could not be spun off by hand after loosening, had to run them off with a socket the rest of the way. And all of the black oxide was gone in the thread area. Total and complete junk.
I had the same issue with a 440 Chrysler main girdle kit I bought for a street motor. The girdle itself was fine, but the main studs did exactly what you described. Some of the nuts were so tight on the studs that backing them off with a socket just turned the entire stud out. The company that sold this kit stated the studs were made for them by a leading US manufacturer who's stuff is used in probably every engine raced on this forum.

I would have never found the problem had I just assembled the motor off the machinist's clearances after the line hone. I found tolerances varying +/- .005 on every main cap when I mic'd them. I replaced the studs with known ARP pieces and had the exact same, and correct clearance down every main. I'm sure the machinist had these pieces in and out of the block to have correctly performed the line hone, but they were only seemingly good for one use.
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Old 04-22-2024, 12:50 PM   #6
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Not sure of the origin of the studs you describe, but a while back I ran across something that made things a lot clearer.

There is actually a single word in Chinese which translates to "good enough" and is considered a wise business practice. It's profitable to change dimensions, processing, and manufacturing to get something that sort of works - at least long enough that people who aren't paying attention don't notice.

Again, in another field I've found that there are some machine shops there that turn out very good items - but of course they are more expensive. Sadly, it looks like the current state of racing doesn't choose to do that.

And yes, I am a strong believer in buying American and avoid buying anything from there when I can. But as their lower prices have gained them market share, it's getting really hard to do so.
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Old 04-24-2024, 11:21 AM   #7
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I see a rebranding coming soon....again....
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Old 04-24-2024, 03:14 PM   #8
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Just heard from a friend who works at Summit that they’ve officially dropped Speedmaster.
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Old 04-24-2024, 03:21 PM   #9
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sst7250, you are right. However, for them to change company names, order new packaging, re package, re inventory, change part #'s to make them look different, is a complete, expensive pain in the azz. If we can catch them again right out of the chute, we'll aggravate them into submission. is this going away anytime soon, NO. But we can all help give them the fight of their corporate lives.

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Old 04-24-2024, 06:16 PM   #10
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Well, when they changed names LAST time (from Pro Comp Engineering) they were ballsy enough to leave all the part numbers with the "PCE" prefix - easy enough to spot. Packaging won't take them that long, shipping both ways will probably take longer, but they'll be back. Too much invested to let it all go away, they already know the profit margin in peddling junk.
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