Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

CopoCommodore · 09-09-2024, 07:49 PM

As a fan from Down Under I find it difficult to believe a few things.

1. The NHRA didn't specify the OD of the pulleys (as well as tooth count) to ensure this didn't happen. (Or the temptation there to explore a grey area of the rules) I am sure there are other classes with toothed belts that have explored this in the past and NHRA would have closed the loophole?
2. Specify the pulleys had to be marked and manufactured by Magnuson, or have an NHRA approval number on it.
3. Inspect these critical components after every pass with fuel and weight, considering it is a 10 second job to measure the OD with a Vernier and count the teeth to see if there is any distinctive gaps between the teeth.
4. Question why covers had been put over the rear drive belt (covers were mentioned in this thread earlier) as the cover is there to hide something and not protect the driver when there is a windscreen and firewall between the driver and the pulleys.

This has tarnished my view of racers and engine builders that I look up to in the /FS, /FX world as I have built my GM car using the /FS rules as inspiration.

SSDA Hemi · 09-09-2024, 08:48 PM

Years ago NHRA tech measured pulley sizes in the alcohol classes with a piece of blower belt numbering the teeth like a ruler as an easy check for pulley teeth. This clearly would've called out the cheating as the space between the pulley teeth would've been counted. The problem was they were allowed to cover the pulleys as if and when the belt breaks it can take out a harness. This should've never been allowed and overdrive checked with a simple system belt ruler as tech has done in the past. Keep it simple.

Fines don't seem to hinder cheating, suspensions non-existent here. Since self tech was used, How about self enforcement from their competitors. Or self tech your competitor, like in grade school when you passed your test to your neighbor to grade. Sad to see NHRA tech come to this and yes I blame them for either never checking or turning an eye. A year and a half..... Damn!

Nick Heath · 09-09-2024, 10:29 PM

A deeper dive into this subject is up on Competition Plus.

https://competitionplus.com/drag-rac...illing-to-talk

I found this paragraph particularly amusing:

Quote:

Those with inside knowledge of how
the NHRA handled the situation say it's part of a new policy aimed at fixing an issue before it becomes a larger one. For instance, if a racer is deemed to have a blatant violation in the inspection, NHRA will give them a chance to right the wrong, but there could be ramifications.

Frank Castros · 09-10-2024, 07:45 AM

At NHRA events NHRA a certified spec pulley(s) should be handed to the FX racers and documented.

BG56 · 09-10-2024, 07:59 AM

The lone HEMI is bye-bye for greener pasture$. Deja' Vu much?!

1320racer · 09-10-2024, 07:59 AM

All this hoopla from guys that don't race the class about nothing. They will change the pulley and continue to race and WIN!

james schaechter · 09-10-2024, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 1320racer

All this hoopla from guys that don't race the class about nothing. They will change the pulley and continue to race and WIN!

Perhaps it’s time for some personal reflection about that comment Ed?

1320racer · 09-10-2024, 08:40 AM

I've reflected and my opinions here are no less valid than anyone else that posts here! There is no requirement to compete in Stock nor Super Stock to post in this forum. Further, this thread isn't about Stock nor Super Stock!!

09-09-2024, 07:49 PM	#1
CopoCommodore Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2024 Posts: 2 Likes: 23 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser As a fan from Down Under I find it difficult to believe a few things. 1. The NHRA didn't specify the OD of the pulleys (as well as tooth count) to ensure this didn't happen. (Or the temptation there to explore a grey area of the rules) I am sure there are other classes with toothed belts that have explored this in the past and NHRA would have closed the loophole? 2. Specify the pulleys had to be marked and manufactured by Magnuson, or have an NHRA approval number on it. 3. Inspect these critical components after every pass with fuel and weight, considering it is a 10 second job to measure the OD with a Vernier and count the teeth to see if there is any distinctive gaps between the teeth. 4. Question why covers had been put over the rear drive belt (covers were mentioned in this thread earlier) as the cover is there to hide something and not protect the driver when there is a windscreen and firewall between the driver and the pulleys. This has tarnished my view of racers and engine builders that I look up to in the /FS, /FX world as I have built my GM car using the /FS rules as inspiration.

09-09-2024, 08:48 PM	#2
SSDA Hemi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 503 Likes: 130 Liked 451 Times in 77 Posts	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser Years ago NHRA tech measured pulley sizes in the alcohol classes with a piece of blower belt numbering the teeth like a ruler as an easy check for pulley teeth. This clearly would've called out the cheating as the space between the pulley teeth would've been counted. The problem was they were allowed to cover the pulleys as if and when the belt breaks it can take out a harness. This should've never been allowed and overdrive checked with a simple system belt ruler as tech has done in the past. Keep it simple. Fines don't seem to hinder cheating, suspensions non-existent here. Since self tech was used, How about self enforcement from their competitors. Or self tech your competitor, like in grade school when you passed your test to your neighbor to grade. Sad to see NHRA tech come to this and yes I blame them for either never checking or turning an eye. A year and a half..... Damn!

09-10-2024, 07:45 AM	#4
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 3,008 Likes: 2,689 Liked 2,760 Times in 976 Posts	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser At NHRA events NHRA a certified spec pulley(s) should be handed to the FX racers and documented.

09-10-2024, 07:59 AM	#5
BG56 Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 353 Likes: 502 Liked 301 Times in 113 Posts	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser The lone HEMI is bye-bye for greener pasture$. Deja' Vu much?!

09-10-2024, 07:59 AM	#6
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser All this hoopla from guys that don't race the class about nothing. They will change the pulley and continue to race and WIN!

09-10-2024, 08:40 AM	#8
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser I've reflected and my opinions here are no less valid than anyone else that posts here! There is no requirement to compete in Stock nor Super Stock to post in this forum. Further, this thread isn't about Stock nor Super Stock!!