Not a complaint, just an observation seeking discussion

Cglrcng · 09-18-2024, 06:46 PM

I just read the new NHRA rule change for women only in our sport. And it appears to me that the old adage gentleman "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and "Ladies just get things done!"

Like I said above at 67 yrs. of age, married to my lovely bride for more than the last 36 years (we have had our children who are well into adulthood by now, and are grandparents to 4 so far), so I am not complaining and think the decision is a positive for our sport.

But, in reading the new rules (and having noticed the age of the average pro & class racers competing recently), I wondered just how many men over the recent couple of decades had to put a points chase season on hold for verifyable medical reasons?...I know a few that have for sure.

And it just made me wonder why the rule change(s) was exclusive (to women of child bearing age, and only pregnancy related), instead of just across the board inclusive to all racers and due to verifiable medical reasons?

Just a thought...health and accidents can affect all racers.

I do think Motherhood deserves special treatment though Ladies of NHRA, and as an aged father of 3 boys and for a grandfather now 2 boys and 2 girls going all the way back to my first born in 1975 (trust me, parenthood is the greatest thing in my opinion ever created). I hold zero ill will Ladies toward the rule changes.

Cglrcng · 09-18-2024, 06:56 PM

What struck me most about the new rules adopted was quite simple as Leah and Tony Stewart now get treated differently than say John Force and his replacement driver.

And it can apply to many others in all classes and categories both Pro and Sportsman.

BZenzen · 09-19-2024, 01:50 AM

I agree, NHRA could have labeled it as "Health, Disability or Life Events". In the case of Force and Beckman where a driver is injured, or a Mike Salinas where he has to step away due to health issues during the season.

1legjerry · 09-19-2024, 11:58 AM

Drag Racing is a sport and it requires you to be physically able to drive the car. If you can't so be it don't care who it is or the cause.

kansas stocker · 09-19-2024, 02:42 PM

The difference between ignorance and indifference?
I don't know and I don't care.
Applies directly to me here.

Another Friendly Racer · 09-20-2024, 09:07 AM

This whole "replacement driver" stuff is a joke.

Force hasn't competed SINCE JUNE, yet he's 3rd in points currently and a good race or two away (a good race or two that he won't be competing in) from somehow being crowned champ over guys who are ACTUALLY RACING.

Replacement driver rules getting expanded upon to accommodate pregnancies...

On a side note, how is it ok for a pregnant woman to compete in top fuel?

I have to assume this stuff is only for the pros and won't trickle down into the sportsman ranks.

Mike Taylor 3601 · 09-20-2024, 10:21 AM

IMO ,which isn't worth anything......if I can't work..... I don't get paid...

points go to driver... if you can't drive.. you can't race... no points.. men and women both..
no countdown.. you run off with championship,then you deserve it...everyone else can race for second...
REALLY..... this is pointless post and comment... since NONE of this applies to stock and super stock or any other sportsman catergory...

bigshow2966 · 09-20-2024, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Another Friendly Racer

This whole "replacement driver" stuff is a joke.

Force hasn't competed SINCE JUNE, yet he's 3rd in points currently and a good race or two away (a good race or two that he won't be competing in) from somehow being crowned champ over guys who are ACTUALLY RACING.

The sad reality is the way team orders work with Force Racing he could get the Championship just to go out as champ............

Eman · 09-20-2024, 11:18 AM

Awards for everyone, especially the ones that have or bring in more money.
The whole championships in sports has all been watered down so far it's meaningless except for the money generated. Between wildcards, provisionals, resets and now substitutions it's all become a joke. We have big money bracket races and even local tracks where drivers can swap cars mid race.
As for the pregnancy deal that's pretty, I'll just say surprising. I can't get pregnant but I'm pretty sure of what causes it and for most it's planned.

09-18-2024, 06:46 PM	#1
Cglrcng Member Join Date: Aug 2023 Location: Kingman, AZ Posts: 400 Likes: 1,447 Liked 325 Times in 181 Posts	Not a complaint, just an observation seeking discussion I just read the new NHRA rule change for women only in our sport. And it appears to me that the old adage gentleman "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and "Ladies just get things done!" Like I said above at 67 yrs. of age, married to my lovely bride for more than the last 36 years (we have had our children who are well into adulthood by now, and are grandparents to 4 so far), so I am not complaining and think the decision is a positive for our sport. But, in reading the new rules (and having noticed the age of the average pro & class racers competing recently), I wondered just how many men over the recent couple of decades had to put a points chase season on hold for verifyable medical reasons?...I know a few that have for sure. And it just made me wonder why the rule change(s) was exclusive (to women of child bearing age, and only pregnancy related), instead of just across the board inclusive to all racers and due to verifiable medical reasons? Just a thought...health and accidents can affect all racers. I do think Motherhood deserves special treatment though Ladies of NHRA, and as an aged father of 3 boys and for a grandfather now 2 boys and 2 girls going all the way back to my first born in 1975 (trust me, parenthood is the greatest thing in my opinion ever created). I hold zero ill will Ladies toward the rule changes. __________________ Gary Lucier - 7832 STK. / 7832 E.T. EF/S Slow Sled. I am, but a simple test of your true patience. So, do all the really "Big Wheelies" you can!

09-18-2024, 06:56 PM	#2
Cglrcng Member Join Date: Aug 2023 Location: Kingman, AZ Posts: 400 Likes: 1,447 Liked 325 Times in 181 Posts	Re: Not a complaint, just an observation seeking discussion What struck me most about the new rules adopted was quite simple as Leah and Tony Stewart now get treated differently than say John Force and his replacement driver. And it can apply to many others in all classes and categories both Pro and Sportsman. __________________ Gary Lucier - 7832 STK. / 7832 E.T. EF/S Slow Sled. I am, but a simple test of your true patience. So, do all the really "Big Wheelies" you can!

09-19-2024, 01:50 AM	#3
BZenzen Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: USA Posts: 139 Likes: 51 Liked 469 Times in 80 Posts	Re: Not a complaint, just an observation seeking discussion I agree, NHRA could have labeled it as "Health, Disability or Life Events". In the case of Force and Beckman where a driver is injured, or a Mike Salinas where he has to step away due to health issues during the season. __________________ Brian Zenzen SS 5404 STK 5401

09-19-2024, 11:58 AM	#4
1legjerry Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 85 Likes: 4 Liked 72 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Not a complaint, just an observation seeking discussion Drag Racing is a sport and it requires you to be physically able to drive the car. If you can't so be it don't care who it is or the cause.

09-19-2024, 02:42 PM	#5
kansas stocker Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: kansas Posts: 235 Likes: 491 Liked 249 Times in 48 Posts	Re: Not a complaint, just an observation seeking discussion The difference between ignorance and indifference? I don't know and I don't care. Applies directly to me here.

09-20-2024, 09:07 AM	#6
Another Friendly Racer Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 152 Likes: 0 Liked 19 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Not a complaint, just an observation seeking discussion This whole "replacement driver" stuff is a joke. Force hasn't competed SINCE JUNE, yet he's 3rd in points currently and a good race or two away (a good race or two that he won't be competing in) from somehow being crowned champ over guys who are ACTUALLY RACING. Replacement driver rules getting expanded upon to accommodate pregnancies... On a side note, how is it ok for a pregnant woman to compete in top fuel? I have to assume this stuff is only for the pros and won't trickle down into the sportsman ranks. Last edited by Another Friendly Racer; 09-20-2024 at 09:10 AM.

09-20-2024, 10:21 AM	#7
Mike Taylor 3601 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somerset,Ky Posts: 1,365 Likes: 343 Liked 286 Times in 99 Posts	Re: Not a complaint, just an observation seeking discussion IMO ,which isn't worth anything......if I can't work..... I don't get paid... points go to driver... if you can't drive.. you can't race... no points.. men and women both.. no countdown.. you run off with championship,then you deserve it...everyone else can race for second... REALLY..... this is pointless post and comment... since NONE of this applies to stock and super stock or any other sportsman catergory...

09-20-2024, 11:18 AM	#9
Eman Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: E TN Posts: 472 Likes: 16 Liked 133 Times in 76 Posts	Re: Not a complaint, just an observation seeking discussion Awards for everyone, especially the ones that have or bring in more money. The whole championships in sports has all been watered down so far it's meaningless except for the money generated. Between wildcards, provisionals, resets and now substitutions it's all become a joke. We have big money bracket races and even local tracks where drivers can swap cars mid race. As for the pregnancy deal that's pretty, I'll just say surprising. I can't get pregnant but I'm pretty sure of what causes it and for most it's planned.