index lowering

[Cglrcng]

Originally Posted by JGrossijr

Our division 7 rep is polling at the Vegas race and the word is AHFS would stay the same.
Many agree that AHFS has hurt Stock & Super Stock, and that indexes have not kept pace with technology advances and and rules changes.

Lowering indexes will reduce the impact of AHFS. I think that's a good thing

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Clarity helps at 11:00 PM you mention Div. Reps to me that is an official and that to meant Matt was conducting a poll. If you are talking about the Rules Committee I know where to find their info for contact when I get home because as I am done thrashing here at the track until this all blows over and is decided since I know I cannot just magically find horsepower and buy more and through a lot of hard work I have to manufacture it myself with this under powered tiny tot. NHRA started my mission in 1993 at 110, dropped me back after a review to factory in Spring of 1996 to a diet goal I had no clue at the time to reach (it took 25 years of research and a whole lot of rules changes in the book finally open to me to get it...the weight off and moved into the right places to perform crappy at altitude and quite ok at sea level ...still not stellar but I cannot race at sea level much.

The O.P. wast texted by Div. Rep., 2nd poster said Div. 7 Rep. (my bad gentlemen I assumed that was Matt).

Div. Reps are officials please use names since their positions are official as this is an Association we all are members of so the rest of us also are or can be included in the conversation and same for any polling by using official channels as that is critical. It is just nice to know who to lobby and whose wheels need greasing or is about to be greased, and who's is about to get locked up tight as a drum.

As he is only polling certain people as I have been out here since Tuesday evening and I am not that hard to find. I have a lot of history not on index dropping but HP additions and it is all the same in the end the HP/weight carried. Someone wants to instantly send me back to 1993 and my very 1st pass in the car, I will get vocal.

Or I'll lay down, die and come back to specifically haunt everyone who had a hand in ruining my golden years.

If the issue is the AHFS go after that so it is solved fairly from top down for every class in the categories.

Data isn't just recent, the data is historical and goes back a lot further Bobby. And one thing NHRA has is mountains of historical data...They know the answers, sometimes they do not like sharing it though. Sometimes it is embarrassing and you know how they feel about lawsuit threats (or even the thought of the possibility in our overly used litigation world), even though all members agree and are prohibited from filing any, and we all know where to find
that info as it is in that golden book we all have access to.

[Sam Capizzi Jr]

For me this is a horrible idea and would effectively end my days trying to support the class. Ive spent 1000s of dollars (on a shoe string budget) just to try to just and run the damn ss index in the heat. If you wanna keep these classes going and attract new younger racers this isnt the way.

Why in the world would any racer in their 20s-40s spend 10x the money to run stock or ss when they can just put a delay box and throttle stop on the car..

FIX THE SYSTEM! AFHS system needs to use 1/8 mile data, have a mineshaft rule & a hard trigger! Hit the Trigger, Tear down and HP.

lowering the indexes just puts a bandaid on a bigger problem.

[Herbie Null]

For me this is a great idea, I have spent 10,000s of dollars and over built my combo only to get HP if I go too fast. Should have just built it to go 5 under and then bracket race it in super stock. Instead of worrying about the new blood coming in maybe think about the majority, which is the old blood that?s just about had enough with this punish the hard working performance guys. I understand both sides, but it?s definitely not fun anymore if you enjoy the performance side of class racing.

[442OLDS]

I'd say just leave the indexes alone.I've considered going Super Stock and two more tenths off of those indexes would put a total end to that idea in bad air.
As far as the AHFS,I'd say just get rid of it with no penalties for going fast.Go three seconds under if you want to.If the AHFS wasn't used at the
U.S.Nationals,why use it anywhere?

[GUMP]

I say leave it alone for a couple of years at least. It's getting hard to keep up with the constant changes.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Herbie Null

For me this is a great idea, I have spent 10,000s of dollars and over built my combo only to get HP if I go too fast. Should have just built it to go 5 under and then bracket race it in super stock. Instead of worrying about the new blood coming in maybe think about the majority, which is the old blood that?s just about had enough with this punish the hard working performance guys. I understand both sides, but it?s definitely not fun anymore if you enjoy the performance side of class racing.

Enjoy your ego massage!

[Herbie Null]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Enjoy your ego massage!

You have a good day Billy!

[Sam Capizzi Jr]

Originally Posted by Herbie Null

For me this is a great idea, I have spent 10,000s of dollars and over built my combo only to get HP if I go too fast. Should have just built it to go 5 under and then bracket race it in super stock. Instead of worrying about the new blood coming in maybe think about the majority, which is the old blood that?s just about had enough with this punish the hard working performance guys. I understand both sides, but it?s definitely not fun anymore if you enjoy the performance side of class racing.

I totally agree with this. I like watching someone run a mile under the index just as much as the next guy. I also have no problem if I get hooked in heads up and get out run by the guy next to me. That?s on me and my program to get faster. When I was actively racing the stocker, I had a few heads up races,I got my *** busted, took my licks and went home. It?s not the end of the world


Maybe get rid of the whole damn AFHS system and just raise the review? trigger?. At the end of the year, have the stock and superstock committee guys review any runs or combos that are a problem.

[Bryan Worner]

Originally Posted by Sam Capizzi Jr

I totally agree with this. I like watching someone run a mile under the index just as much as the next guy. I also have no problem if I get hooked in heads up and get out run by the guy next to me. That?s on me and my program to get faster. When I was actively racing the stocker, I had a few heads up races,I got my *** busted, took my licks and went home. It?s not the end of the world


Maybe get rid of the whole damn AFHS system and just raise the review? trigger?. At the end of the year, have the stock and superstock committee guys review any runs or combos that are a problem.

Great reply Sam! More of these racers need your attitude!!!

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by Herbie Null

For me this is a great idea, I have spent 10,000s of dollars and over built my combo only to get HP if I go too fast. Should have just built it to go 5 under and then bracket race it in super stock. Instead of worrying about the new blood coming in maybe think about the majority, which is the old blood that?s just about had enough with this punish the hard working performance guys. I understand both sides, but it?s definitely not fun anymore if you enjoy the performance side of class racing.

I see both sides to this issue as well. My program is just the opposite of yours. My car and engine are built for consistency and reliability. It?s much easier to de tune than it is to pick up. Costs nothing to de tune and run 50-75 under. I watch what you do and I see that you are more than capable of qualifying at the top of the sheet but sometimes elect to slow to more of a mid pack pace. Personally I would like to see the index?s stay as they are. I don?t see how lowering the index?s will enhance our program. The Fast cars got a gift when they changed the instant trigger to 1.30 under. I realize I am probably not one of the majority. I am for sure one of the old blood guys. I have been racing the same car for over 45 years. I totally respect your viewpoint.
Lowering the indexes will only result in lower car counts at the division level. Many tracks are electing not to host division races and or closing down due to cost issues or other preferences in event types to keep the gates open. We lost two of our tracks this year in D2. Reynolds and Galot are not participating in our schedule here this year. Both are a huge loss. Lower car counts won?t help.