The answer to indexes, and performance.

Sean Haning · 05-30-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Smith

Wahl's hood, but it was glued shut, and he had this giant animal with big teeth tied to it's bumper.

Jim's slicks threw you off, you were trying to look in the wrong end of his car!

Gary Smith · 05-30-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Haning

Jim's slicks threw you off, you were trying to look in the wrong end of his car!

No, not this time. I spent a whole day around his black car trying to figure that out, until I realized his slicks were mounted on the wrong end

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Gary Parker · 05-30-2008, 05:57 PM

Good post. Just 1 thing. Its hard to tell who goes fast because they work hard and spend money and those who just have a soft factor. Who will make that call. If I don't go fast, I can cry for hp off. If I go fast then i get hp and have to add wieght. I have worked very hard and spent a good amount of money on parts and testing. Now I go fast and should wait for the nhra big re factoring party. So I will run the same times as the guy that didn't work on his stuff or spend any time and money. Its a catch 22. I don't have the answer. Here's an example. Most feel Bill Hawks mustang(sorry bill) is the fastest b car out there. Yet he is smart and does not show it. Now the 396 camaros are going to get hp. (most likely) yet they can't run with the fords now. Anyway, I just like racing and hope it all works out. Gary Parker 1617 H/SA

Jim Wahl · 05-30-2008, 06:16 PM

Gary, that wasn't a large animal with big teeth, it was Scott Helms with his shirt off! He kept screaming for beer and fried chicken and was scaring all the little children.Jim

pauldilcher · 05-30-2008, 07:16 PM

Well Said Gary !!!

55 Chevy · 05-30-2008, 07:22 PM

Excellent post Ron.

Who cares how far a car runs under, yes get rid of the trigger. What purpose does it serve anyway. Ladder would still look relatively the same & the beginner will still want to class race cause he can run the number. Lowering the index only hurts them not the guys at the top. We need more competitors,not less.

Gary Smith · 05-30-2008, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Gary, that wasn't a large animal with big teeth, it was Scott Helms with his shirt off! He kept screaming for beer and fried chicken and was scaring all the little children.Jim

Oooschh!! That's ugly. I think I'll park in the sticks next time. Or maybe that's why the Summerton's didn't invite us for lunch in fear that Scott would leave a bad impression on Andrew

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greg fulk · 05-31-2008, 02:22 AM

Just what will lowering the indexes .2 do? Nothing! All it will do is run off the guys that are on a budget or have a combo that is "bad". Roy Dean & Harlan Updike have been running stock for years....they run about .1 to .2ths under...their good racers on a budget. My Dad is the same way...he has a car that in NHRA trim can run 15.40's on a 15.80 index...most of the time. But with the cost of fuel I'd say he'll be out once or twice this year. I make good money he dosen't so I foot part of the bill sometimes (he dosen't know that) just so he can race...this is an expensive thing we do & lowering the indexes don't help anybody! Hey think of it this way IF ya draw one of these guys in the late rounds you have pretty much a by run! Be carefull what ya ask for ya just might get it...& if we have 30 stockers show up It won't take long till their is NO stock!

kansas stocker · 05-31-2008, 07:30 PM

I too don't see what lowering the indexes will do to help anyone. It's a bracket race if you are not racing someone in your class and if you are it's a duck walk if you are a second under and they are just barely running the index. Make no difference to me but I can think of a couple of good racers that will be staying home.

05-30-2008, 05:57 PM	#3
Gary Parker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Westfield Mass Posts: 529 Likes: 368 Liked 425 Times in 56 Posts	Re: The answer to indexes, and performance. Good post. Just 1 thing. Its hard to tell who goes fast because they work hard and spend money and those who just have a soft factor. Who will make that call. If I don't go fast, I can cry for hp off. If I go fast then i get hp and have to add wieght. I have worked very hard and spent a good amount of money on parts and testing. Now I go fast and should wait for the nhra big re factoring party. So I will run the same times as the guy that didn't work on his stuff or spend any time and money. Its a catch 22. I don't have the answer. Here's an example. Most feel Bill Hawks mustang(sorry bill) is the fastest b car out there. Yet he is smart and does not show it. Now the 396 camaros are going to get hp. (most likely) yet they can't run with the fords now. Anyway, I just like racing and hope it all works out. Gary Parker 1617 H/SA

05-30-2008, 06:16 PM	#4
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 667 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: The answer to indexes, and performance. Gary, that wasn't a large animal with big teeth, it was Scott Helms with his shirt off! He kept screaming for beer and fried chicken and was scaring all the little children.Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

05-30-2008, 07:16 PM	#5
pauldilcher Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 425 Likes: 1 Liked 52 Times in 9 Posts	Re: The answer to indexes, and performance. Well Said Gary !!!

05-30-2008, 07:22 PM	#6
55 Chevy Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Calgary,Alberta area Posts: 229 Likes: 23 Liked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Re: The answer to indexes, and performance. Excellent post Ron. Who cares how far a car runs under, yes get rid of the trigger. What purpose does it serve anyway. Ladder would still look relatively the same & the beginner will still want to class race cause he can run the number. Lowering the index only hurts them not the guys at the top. We need more competitors,not less.

05-31-2008, 02:22 AM	#8
greg fulk VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: jackson Posts: 1,165 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The answer to indexes, and performance. Just what will lowering the indexes .2 do? Nothing! All it will do is run off the guys that are on a budget or have a combo that is "bad". Roy Dean & Harlan Updike have been running stock for years....they run about .1 to .2ths under...their good racers on a budget. My Dad is the same way...he has a car that in NHRA trim can run 15.40's on a 15.80 index...most of the time. But with the cost of fuel I'd say he'll be out once or twice this year. I make good money he dosen't so I foot part of the bill sometimes (he dosen't know that) just so he can race...this is an expensive thing we do & lowering the indexes don't help anybody! Hey think of it this way IF ya draw one of these guys in the late rounds you have pretty much a by run! Be carefull what ya ask for ya just might get it...& if we have 30 stockers show up It won't take long till their is NO stock! __________________ Greg Fulk 308 308X P/SA "ALL AMERICAN"

05-31-2008, 07:30 PM	#9
kansas stocker Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: kansas Posts: 235 Likes: 501 Liked 249 Times in 48 Posts	Re: The answer to indexes, and performance. I too don't see what lowering the indexes will do to help anyone. It's a bracket race if you are not racing someone in your class and if you are it's a duck walk if you are a second under and they are just barely running the index. Make no difference to me but I can think of a couple of good racers that will be staying home.