HOME FORUM RULES CONTACT
     
   
   

Go Back   CLASS RACER FORUM > Class Racer Forums > Stock and Super Stock
Register Photo Gallery FAQ Community Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-03-2025, 08:58 PM   #1
otnipecar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Washington
Posts: 80
Likes: 157
Liked 78 Times in 37 Posts
Default Re: How important is qualifying???????????????

Still there. I downloaded them years ago and made my own book.

http://sacramentoraceway.com/?page_id=277
__________________
Rick Green
6847 O/SA
otnipecar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2025, 09:37 PM   #2
GTX JOHN
VIP Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Boulder City, Nevada 89005
Posts: 2,737
Likes: 2,820
Liked 2,489 Times in 699 Posts
Default Re: How important is qualifying???????????????

We do have a ladder book in the Trailer and use it!

Jim is right = for us the sweet spot is right dead in the middle
of the field.

However, sometimes easier said than done in practice, due to
the unpredictability of everyone else on the final qualifier for the
ladder.
__________________
John Irving
741 Stock
741 Super Stock
GTX JOHN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2025, 09:39 PM   #3
james schaechter
VIP Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Cumming GA
Posts: 1,994
Likes: 1,297
Liked 1,440 Times in 301 Posts
Default Re: How important is qualifying???????????????

This all presupposes that any car can at least run the index.

That isn?t always easy or a given. Especially when starting out in class racing.

Sarge, I would say qualifying must be kind of important to you. The 302 2bbl is super soft and you have a good car as well. You can qualify with ease at any race on the schedule. If it wasn?t kind of important why change from your last car?
( and Sarge not knocking why you would do this, but it certainly changes one?s perspective on qualifying when the car is that far under)


As far as going fast, it means less when the field isn?t full and or not many heads up runs,.

Good point about AHFS, if you plan ahead for races that may require you to let it out, it is prudent to keep your avg low prior to that so that hp hits are avoided at the end of the year.

Keep in mind, the stock and Superstock classes are a blend of bracket and heads up to keep the cost somewhat reasonable.

It is a decent compromise, but I do think more incentives for heads up and performance improvements would improve the classes.
__________________
James Schaechter 3163 STK
james schaechter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2025, 10:08 PM   #4
GTS340
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Las Vegas, Nv
Posts: 876
Likes: 282
Liked 1,354 Times in 413 Posts
Default Re: How important is qualifying???????????????

Important to qualify from family members first. Points races at the season ending races is a blast to watch. Qualifying at its best usually.

Paul
GTS340 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2025, 12:28 AM   #5
CMcAllister
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Fulton County, PA
Posts: 617
Likes: 17
Liked 920 Times in 259 Posts
Default Re: How important is qualifying???????????????

If it's nothing more than bracket racing, why on Earth would you spend all the money, source the good/fancy parts, do all the work, all the travel, all the long weekends, deal with all the rules, restrictions and all the people with a lot more resources than you?

Why not just put something together out of a catalog, save all the other crap, get a bottle of shoe polish and just go bracket racing? They have footbrake classes if you don't like electronics.
CMcAllister is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2025, 02:45 AM   #6
Paul Precht
Senior Member
 
Paul Precht's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Elysburg, Pa
Posts: 733
Likes: 361
Liked 327 Times in 121 Posts
Default Re: How important is qualifying???????????????

Quote:
Originally Posted by CMcAllister View Post
If it's nothing more than bracket racing, why on Earth would you spend all the money, source the good/fancy parts, do all the work, all the travel, all the long weekends, deal with all the rules, restrictions and all the people with a lot more resources than you?

Why not just put something together out of a catalog, save all the other crap, get a bottle of shoe polish and just go bracket racing? They have footbrake classes if you don't like electronics.
A lot of us entered Stock to move up from the local junk box bracket cars 30,40,50 years ago when they weren't just glorified bracket cars and many of us as I still do built everything or as much as possible ourselves. I started bracket racing on Long Island in 71 and am hoping to have my junk 62 4dr Dodge ready for some local brackets this spring while at the same time I'm finally building a new shortblock for my 63 Stocker which I hope to make some races with this year. As a person who enjoys and has done both local brackets and Stock I still feel they are two different worlds even with Stock being watered down severely in the last 20 years or so and many people no longer building their own stuff. There's really no need to argue IMO, do whatever makes you happy and as many have stated, be happy we can still race.

Last edited by Paul Precht; 02-04-2025 at 02:57 AM.
Paul Precht is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2025, 07:01 AM   #7
1320racer
VIP Member
 
1320racer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 2,628
Likes: 160
Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts
Default Re: How important is qualifying???????????????

Quote:
Originally Posted by CMcAllister View Post
If it's nothing more than bracket racing, why on Earth would you spend all the money, source the good/fancy parts, do all the work, all the travel, all the long weekends, deal with all the people with a lot more resources than you?
Checked all those boxes too bracket racing!

Quote:
Originally Posted by CMcAllister View Post
Why not just put something together out of a catalog, save all the other crap, get a bottle of shoe polish and just go bracket racing?
Right, like ordering a COPO, Cobra Jet or Drag Pak out of a catalog/online order form as thousands of racers have since 2008.

Meanwhile bracket cars today cost around $40k on the low end to $175k on the high end to build and my 2 cars would cost about $125K each to replace. Nothing cheap about bracket racing today either. Oh fyi, most today don't use shoe polish, electronic dial in boards have been all the rage for at least 15 years.

Last edited by 1320racer; 02-04-2025 at 10:09 AM.
1320racer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2025, 10:18 AM   #8
Rich67stang
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Jackson, NJ
Posts: 313
Likes: 3
Liked 116 Times in 27 Posts
Default Re: How important is qualifying???????????????

Gentlemen,

The heading is "How important is qualifying" not bashing Bracket racing or class racing. Both Bracket racing and class racing has its +/-. Race what you enjoy and dont place judgement.

If you have never been 4.40 in 1/8 miile bracket racing dont judge, its bad ***.
If you have never been heads up in a SS modified dont judge, its bad ***.

On Topic: Qualifying is important if you want or not want heads up races as well as preferred opponents.
__________________
Richard Preiser
1613 FGT/I 1510 C/SA 161 F/DA
Rich67stang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2025, 10:46 AM   #9
1320racer
VIP Member
 
1320racer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 2,628
Likes: 160
Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts
Default Re: How important is qualifying???????????????

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich67stang View Post
Gentlemen,

The heading is "How important is qualifying" not bashing Bracket racing or class racing. Both Bracket racing and class racing has its +/-. Race what you enjoy and dont place judgement.
Agree and I’ll add don’tt judge as well those that post here that are bracket racers and/or throttle stop racers too.
1320racer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2025, 11:22 AM   #10
Stan Weiss
Senior Member
 
Stan Weiss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Phila, PA
Posts: 796
Likes: 0
Liked 735 Times in 386 Posts
Default Re: How important is qualifying???????????????

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1320racer View Post
Checked all those boxes too bracket racing!


Right, like ordering a COPO, Cobra Jet or Drag Pak out of a catalog/online order form as thousands of racers have since 2008.

Meanwhile bracket cars today cost around $40k on the low end to $175k on the high end to build and my 2 cars would cost about $125K each to replace. Nothing cheap about bracket racing today either. Oh fyi, most today don't use shoe polish, electronic dial in boards have been all the rage for at least 15 years.

Maybe someone running one of these can tell us just how it would qualify as delivered, without all of that extra work done.


Stan
Stan Weiss is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:21 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright Class Racer.com. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners.