HP on Monday?

MR DERBY CITY · 02-23-2025, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

I hope that the radiator did not leak at the scales like it sometime happens on the left coast.

What was the DQ for? Weight, mechanical, incorrect part, wheel base, safety equipment out of date?

No Larry, the radiator did not spring a leak, no crewmembers removed weight between the turnoff and the scales, there were NO diving trunks involved, word on the street was fuel DQ ….

Larry Hill · 02-23-2025, 10:02 AM

Kevin was in the fourth set of cars in Stock for the Q2 attempt. According to the racers I spoke with fuel check was done on Q1. Racers said Q2 was, make run, pull on scale for weight check, and no fuel check then go back to the pits. Once a racer is released from the Tech Area the run is official, I have been told.

Mike if no fuel check was preformed during Q2 how did his fuel fail? Most of the time if a car missed Q1 session and Q2 is their first time down the track a fuel check will be preformed on those few cars only. Kevin made Q1 and Q2

I have been in that same situation what happened to me and a lot of other racers is: I got sealed up, rechecked my fuel and weight and had a full teardown including wheel base. Before first round of elimination.

If rules got bent to discount the run it dilutes all the hard work we all put in to make our stuff competitive.

MR DERBY CITY · 02-23-2025, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

Kevin was in the fourth set of cars in Stock for the Q2 attempt. According to the racers I spoke with fuel check was done on Q1. Racers said Q2 was, make run, pull on scale for weight check, and no fuel check then go back to the pits. Once a racer is released from the Tech Area the run is official, I have been told.

Mike if no fuel check was preformed during Q2 how did his fuel fail? Most of the time if a car missed Q1 session and Q2 is their first time down the track a fuel check will be preformed on those few cars only. Kevin made Q1 and Q2

If rules got bent to discount the run it dilutes all the hard work we all put in to make our stuff competitive.

Very valid questions Larry…...Makes one WONDER , are there any enforceable rules any more ?? OR, are the RULES just suggestions ??

HR9121 · 02-23-2025, 03:03 PM

This is one of the many reasons AHFS doesn't work every time there's an opportunity for it to work people find ways around it. Not even saying anyone done anything wrong here but one would think that if someone passes first round there's a reasonable expectation they pass Q2.

Tom Meyer · 02-23-2025, 04:12 PM

No pup in this, but they used to ask if you went faster than your first run you got rechecked. Same as record runs you first had to break the record then you had to back it up. But this was the way Wayne Lewis [RIP] explained it to me, could be different now. Tom

Dan Bennett · 02-23-2025, 07:15 PM

Somebody help a foggy brain here - wasn't there a rule update where you couldn't avoid a hit by something under your control once the pass was made? Did that only apply to bypassing the scales and not involve fuel?

J.R. Haddad · 02-23-2025, 08:46 PM

I am led to believe that some people capable of running fast, carry a small
bottle of gas additive with them in there glove box or wherever, and add
that to their fuel when they have gone quicker than they wanted. I observed
someone who failed fuel check last year, and didn't observe any corrective
action to their fuel system. If I failed fuel check, I would dump that container
of fuel, take a new container to tech, make sure it was good, drain what was in the car, rinse it twice with the good fuel, fill up my cell and drive to tech to take a new sample of the new fuel and make sure it was good, but that's
just me. I'm sure everybody handles it differently.

J.R.

Larry Hill · 02-23-2025, 08:50 PM

Maybe some of our Stock/Super Stock representatives could help us out here and get some sunlight on the subject.
Thanks for you help!

TILBURG · 03-02-2025, 07:17 PM

Question how much of a issue is it to have the software written that when there is a 1.30 under run it triggers the tower and then they can communicate with the scales? Maybe it will only result in finding out the guy/girl is in the wrong class but maybe this could have been avoided.
Second how much longer are you guys/girls going to run with this broken system. If this is supposed to be a performance based class then why is the most frequent ask question " what do i have to do to slow it down"?? Starting to sound more like a throttle stop class than a performance based class. What is the system there to protect?? Lets take the AH class you really think that them guys are going to see how much oil they can run and timing they can pull just to make the 3 at the bottom of the sheet feel better??? The time it takes to look at every run down the track what class it was in and a average of all them that time couldn't be better spent elsewhere. How do you race a performance based class with a noose around your neck and call it fun?

02-23-2025, 10:02 AM	#2
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,642 Likes: 1,940 Liked 10,721 Times in 2,232 Posts	Re: HP on Monday? Kevin was in the fourth set of cars in Stock for the Q2 attempt. According to the racers I spoke with fuel check was done on Q1. Racers said Q2 was, make run, pull on scale for weight check, and no fuel check then go back to the pits. Once a racer is released from the Tech Area the run is official, I have been told. Mike if no fuel check was preformed during Q2 how did his fuel fail? Most of the time if a car missed Q1 session and Q2 is their first time down the track a fuel check will be preformed on those few cars only. Kevin made Q1 and Q2 I have been in that same situation what happened to me and a lot of other racers is: I got sealed up, rechecked my fuel and weight and had a full teardown including wheel base. Before first round of elimination. If rules got bent to discount the run it dilutes all the hard work we all put in to make our stuff competitive. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

02-23-2025, 03:03 PM	#4
HR9121 Live Reporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New Bern, NC Posts: 3,467 Likes: 146 Liked 3,363 Times in 731 Posts	Re: HP on Monday? This is one of the many reasons AHFS doesn't work every time there's an opportunity for it to work people find ways around it. Not even saying anyone done anything wrong here but one would think that if someone passes first round there's a reasonable expectation they pass Q2. __________________ James Williamson W200 J/SA. SS/JA

02-23-2025, 04:12 PM	#5
Tom Meyer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pierce NE Posts: 936 Likes: 78 Liked 354 Times in 120 Posts	Re: HP on Monday? No pup in this, but they used to ask if you went faster than your first run you got rechecked. Same as record runs you first had to break the record then you had to back it up. But this was the way Wayne Lewis [RIP] explained it to me, could be different now. Tom __________________ Tom Meyer 5240 SS Stock ???

02-23-2025, 07:15 PM	#6
Dan Bennett Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 439 Likes: 853 Liked 595 Times in 136 Posts	Re: HP on Monday? Somebody help a foggy brain here - wasn't there a rule update where you couldn't avoid a hit by something under your control once the pass was made? Did that only apply to bypassing the scales and not involve fuel?

02-23-2025, 08:46 PM	#7
J.R. Haddad Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 785 Likes: 939 Liked 1,469 Times in 308 Posts	Re: HP on Monday? I am led to believe that some people capable of running fast, carry a small bottle of gas additive with them in there glove box or wherever, and add that to their fuel when they have gone quicker than they wanted. I observed someone who failed fuel check last year, and didn't observe any corrective action to their fuel system. If I failed fuel check, I would dump that container of fuel, take a new container to tech, make sure it was good, drain what was in the car, rinse it twice with the good fuel, fill up my cell and drive to tech to take a new sample of the new fuel and make sure it was good, but that's just me. I'm sure everybody handles it differently. J.R.

02-23-2025, 08:50 PM	#8
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,642 Likes: 1,940 Liked 10,721 Times in 2,232 Posts	Re: HP on Monday? Maybe some of our Stock/Super Stock representatives could help us out here and get some sunlight on the subject. Thanks for you help! __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

03-02-2025, 07:17 PM	#9
TILBURG Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 44 Likes: 4 Liked 79 Times in 7 Posts	Re: HP on Monday? Question how much of a issue is it to have the software written that when there is a 1.30 under run it triggers the tower and then they can communicate with the scales? Maybe it will only result in finding out the guy/girl is in the wrong class but maybe this could have been avoided. Second how much longer are you guys/girls going to run with this broken system. If this is supposed to be a performance based class then why is the most frequent ask question " what do i have to do to slow it down"?? Starting to sound more like a throttle stop class than a performance based class. What is the system there to protect?? Lets take the AH class you really think that them guys are going to see how much oil they can run and timing they can pull just to make the 3 at the bottom of the sheet feel better??? The time it takes to look at every run down the track what class it was in and a average of all them that time couldn't be better spent elsewhere. How do you race a performance based class with a noose around your neck and call it fun?