Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers

Mark Faul · 06-09-2008, 03:04 PM

Since there are only 2 more national events before the review process, I'm posting to see if any Camaro or Nova racers would like to save this combo from 5 hp. The engine average is safe, but there are 2 triggers. One in C/SA and one in A/SA. C is safe, as the ave. is well below 1.00, but A is in trouble because there was only 1 race in this review period, which was Clark Holroyd's heads up run at Pomona at -1.17
So if anyone went -.82 in A/SA, that would bring the average below 1.00. I would have loved to do this, but the Chevelle is a B,C,D car.
Any takers? Thank you!

Keith Lynch · 06-09-2008, 07:09 PM

I think there is only one National left to get around the AHFS with Norwalk having no stock and Denver not counted because of alt..

Jim Cimarolli · 06-09-2008, 08:38 PM

Mark,

Isn't the overall average of every iron head 396-375 Camaro, Nova, and Chevelle, w/automatics, at national events this season the figure they use? Thats the way I thought it was anyway.

Jim

06-09-2008, 11:42 PM

Jim-

That's the way it should be, but it's not how they do it. If they can't get it with the group, then they do the average by class. Therefore, A will get the combo hit. The reason is because the average is over 1.00 in A with this combo. Dumb, isn't it? So Mark is asking for somebody that can tech in A, and run .82 under or slower, to offset the average of 1.17 under.

Jim Cimarolli · 06-10-2008, 05:03 AM

Thanks Sean,
I knew what Mark was asking for, but are you saying that only the A cars will get the hp?

Randall Klein · 06-10-2008, 09:31 AM

To quote the departed Len Imbrogno, 'AHFS" is a simple system"...years into it and questions multiply.It just gets curiouser and curiouser as Alice in Wonderland said....

Jim Cimarolli · 06-10-2008, 10:15 AM

I had just never heard of it being done this way, last year we all got hit, I'll bet thats the way it is this year too.

06-10-2008, 10:19 AM

Jim-

No, the "combination" hit will be because of A. If A drops below the required 1.00 second under average, then the horsepower on the iron head remains the same.

I know this, because the 350/295 combo has gotten horsepower the last two reviews in SS. GT/AA is the only class that has been over 1.00 under, so the entire combo has received HP. Not taking into account, the only cars that have flagged the review were Cavaliers, or Sunfires. So now all the body styles that run this combo have to carry the new HP. NICE HUH?

Mark Faul · 06-10-2008, 10:22 AM

Jim,
Sean is right. Because the second thing they look at is class average, ALL cars in the group would get horsepower based just on A.
This is how we got the last adjustment a year ago. Even though the engine average was safe, the next factor got us.

Mark Faul · 06-10-2008, 10:27 AM

The aluminum head has the same problem. The overall engine average is safe, but there were a lot of fast runs in B/SA that brought the average in at -1.02x, so this combination will get hp because of the class average being more than -1.00

06-09-2008, 03:04 PM	#1
Mark Faul Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tacoma,WA Posts: 341 Likes: 2 Liked 43 Times in 9 Posts	Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers Since there are only 2 more national events before the review process, I'm posting to see if any Camaro or Nova racers would like to save this combo from 5 hp. The engine average is safe, but there are 2 triggers. One in C/SA and one in A/SA. C is safe, as the ave. is well below 1.00, but A is in trouble because there was only 1 race in this review period, which was Clark Holroyd's heads up run at Pomona at -1.17 So if anyone went -.82 in A/SA, that would bring the average below 1.00. I would have loved to do this, but the Chevelle is a B,C,D car. Any takers? Thank you!

06-09-2008, 07:09 PM	#2
Keith Lynch Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ohio Posts: 43 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers I think there is only one National left to get around the AHFS with Norwalk having no stock and Denver not counted because of alt.. __________________ Keith Lynch 5035 STK

06-09-2008, 08:38 PM	#3
Jim Cimarolli Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sulphur Springs Texas Posts: 742 Likes: 145 Liked 166 Times in 46 Posts	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers Mark, Isn't the overall average of every iron head 396-375 Camaro, Nova, and Chevelle, w/automatics, at national events this season the figure they use? Thats the way I thought it was anyway. Jim

06-09-2008, 11:42 PM	#4
Sean Cour Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers Jim- That's the way it should be, but it's not how they do it. If they can't get it with the group, then they do the average by class. Therefore, A will get the combo hit. The reason is because the average is over 1.00 in A with this combo. Dumb, isn't it? So Mark is asking for somebody that can tech in A, and run .82 under or slower, to offset the average of 1.17 under.

06-10-2008, 05:03 AM	#5
Jim Cimarolli Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sulphur Springs Texas Posts: 742 Likes: 145 Liked 166 Times in 46 Posts	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers Thanks Sean, I knew what Mark was asking for, but are you saying that only the A cars will get the hp?

06-10-2008, 09:31 AM	#6
Randall Klein Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 785 Likes: 45 Liked 316 Times in 67 Posts	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers To quote the departed Len Imbrogno, 'AHFS" is a simple system"...years into it and questions multiply.It just gets curiouser and curiouser as Alice in Wonderland said....

06-10-2008, 10:15 AM	#7
Jim Cimarolli Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sulphur Springs Texas Posts: 742 Likes: 145 Liked 166 Times in 46 Posts	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers I had just never heard of it being done this way, last year we all got hit, I'll bet thats the way it is this year too.

06-10-2008, 10:19 AM	#8
Sean Cour Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers Jim- No, the "combination" hit will be because of A. If A drops below the required 1.00 second under average, then the horsepower on the iron head remains the same. I know this, because the 350/295 combo has gotten horsepower the last two reviews in SS. GT/AA is the only class that has been over 1.00 under, so the entire combo has received HP. Not taking into account, the only cars that have flagged the review were Cavaliers, or Sunfires. So now all the body styles that run this combo have to carry the new HP. NICE HUH?

06-10-2008, 10:22 AM	#9
Mark Faul Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tacoma,WA Posts: 341 Likes: 2 Liked 43 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers Jim, Sean is right. Because the second thing they look at is class average, ALL cars in the group would get horsepower based just on A. This is how we got the last adjustment a year ago. Even though the engine average was safe, the next factor got us.

06-10-2008, 10:27 AM	#10
Mark Faul Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tacoma,WA Posts: 341 Likes: 2 Liked 43 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers The aluminum head has the same problem. The overall engine average is safe, but there were a lot of fast runs in B/SA that brought the average in at -1.02x, so this combination will get hp because of the class average being more than -1.00