.Advisory committee - Page 2

RPinoski1 · 07-15-2008, 03:22 PM

Mark
I agree we need to see an agendas and how the votes are cast. The meeting transcripts should be made available to active NHRA members.

Does anyone know if there are term limits or how long the appointment to the committee is?

Dick Butler · 07-15-2008, 04:42 PM

Did you guys really think you were going to agree with everthing the elected Advisory committee would put in place? Did you think Advisory committee was needing your okay on every topic? It seemed they were elected to "represent" the racers of their divisions and make the "best Decisions" they felt were possible. Maybe the options available were a LOT worse.
J Gower, I am not sure how I would be named for the rule change. I have no position on the advisory committee. I feel CLASS racing needs to be rewarded in every class regardless the et of the winners. Class Racing IS NHRA Sportsman racing.

SS Engine Guy · 07-15-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Did you guys really think you were going to agree with everthing the elected Advisory committee would put in place? Did you think Advisory committee was needing your okay on every topic?

No, but I thought that they were being elected as a representitive committee not a rules making committee. No one ever contacted me about the latest vote on Indy. Nor did I realize that it was even on the table for consideration. That said, it is fine with me to make it all class winners only in elims at every event and run them off the records or index. Dosen't matter.

I don't think it is good business to have winners of a popularity contest making rules and trying to hide where it came from.

Dick Butler · 07-16-2008, 07:12 AM

SS Engine guy. good point but one thing no one has stated anywhere is whether the Advisory committee had any discussion or input on this change....will it help AHFS?

Mike Pearson · 07-16-2008, 08:34 AM

This is just another change that will not make any difference in the quality of racing. It won't make the cost of racing any cheeper. It wont raise the pay out or the contingincy money. It wont help attract any sponsorship opportunities to our form of racing. I dont see where any of the recent changes have made any real difference to the competition. The spec button hasn't done anything for super stock and comp. Just cost us money to replace a perfectly good button. The stocker guys had to relocate there 2 step button to the brake pedal. What did that change. Nothing. It seems that any time you put new people in a position to change things they will make change for change sake. Thats what seems to be happening here. Unless its a rule that will make racing safer I think we should leave well enough alone. Its worked for over 40 years lets leave it alone and race.

Bill Koski · 07-16-2008, 09:52 AM

The way I see it is the racers that elect to race in a class where it takes 1.20 under, or faster, to win class got their way in this case. Next on their agenda is undoubtedly eliminating all heads up runs in eliminations.
Class racing will then be basically the same as Top Sportsman except that all cars won't have the same minimum ET. That folks, is true bracket racing!!!!!!!!!!
The puzzling thing is why not a single soul will step forward and confess to initiating or even supporting this change?

Bobby Brannon · 07-16-2008, 10:01 AM

If you have EVER been @ Indy and ran better than a -1.00 second under and been knock out of the field because of a class winner. Then you know how it feels. A few years ago a 69 F/S camaro won class,no he did not get a class win because he could not run .5 tenths under but was placed in the field. Best I can remeber is he was maybe 1 or 2 hundred's under index. But he was in the field. I was 7th alternate @ -1.07 under. That leaves a bad taste all the way home [900miles].
Like me or hate me but but "I" love the new ruling.

4705 A/SA
4705SS/IA

X-TECH MAN · 07-16-2008, 10:25 AM

Maybe (but I doubt it) this would bring about some parity in the HP factors by using the qualifying numbers and IF they would have a MAJOR tear down (all of the qualifyers) and the powers in Calif. would allow the GOOD tech people such as Travis Miller and a couple of others to do thier job WITHOUT interference from them to weed out the bogus cars. Naaaaaaa, wont happen. To many "IF's" and to much work involved not to mention the $$$$ required to have a competent tech crew on hand to handle the work load. Besides... it would probably embarass to many "HEROS". Just my opinion and that dosent count anyway.

Bill Koski · 07-16-2008, 10:43 AM

If a car didn't run .50 under and because of that didn't get the class win there was a huge mistake made if he was on the ladder?
Must have been a class with at least 2 cars and he won class, or before the .50 under rule!
Again, why won't somebody man up and admit to participating in this change???????

mr305 · 07-16-2008, 12:37 PM

Cause they know they made a huge mistake thats why no one has the balls to step up and say "hey guys this was my idea!" If i woulda known about this rule oooo lets say last wed when i enter the us nats. i woulda just saved my money! NHRA PLEASE QUIT screwing this up, its worked for a long time!

07-15-2008, 03:22 PM	#11
RPinoski1 Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PLACERVILLE, CA Posts: 182 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee Mark I agree we need to see an agendas and how the votes are cast. The meeting transcripts should be made available to active NHRA members. Does anyone know if there are term limits or how long the appointment to the committee is? Last edited by RPinoski1; 07-15-2008 at 03:25 PM.

07-15-2008, 04:42 PM	#12
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee Did you guys really think you were going to agree with everthing the elected Advisory committee would put in place? Did you think Advisory committee was needing your okay on every topic? It seemed they were elected to "represent" the racers of their divisions and make the "best Decisions" they felt were possible. Maybe the options available were a LOT worse. J Gower, I am not sure how I would be named for the rule change. I have no position on the advisory committee. I feel CLASS racing needs to be rewarded in every class regardless the et of the winners. Class Racing IS NHRA Sportsman racing.

07-16-2008, 07:12 AM	#14
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee SS Engine guy. good point but one thing no one has stated anywhere is whether the Advisory committee had any discussion or input on this change....will it help AHFS?

07-16-2008, 08:34 AM	#15
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,450 Likes: 615 Liked 1,931 Times in 580 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee This is just another change that will not make any difference in the quality of racing. It won't make the cost of racing any cheeper. It wont raise the pay out or the contingincy money. It wont help attract any sponsorship opportunities to our form of racing. I dont see where any of the recent changes have made any real difference to the competition. The spec button hasn't done anything for super stock and comp. Just cost us money to replace a perfectly good button. The stocker guys had to relocate there 2 step button to the brake pedal. What did that change. Nothing. It seems that any time you put new people in a position to change things they will make change for change sake. Thats what seems to be happening here. Unless its a rule that will make racing safer I think we should leave well enough alone. Its worked for over 40 years lets leave it alone and race. __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

07-16-2008, 09:52 AM	#16
Bill Koski Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 213 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee The way I see it is the racers that elect to race in a class where it takes 1.20 under, or faster, to win class got their way in this case. Next on their agenda is undoubtedly eliminating all heads up runs in eliminations. Class racing will then be basically the same as Top Sportsman except that all cars won't have the same minimum ET. That folks, is true bracket racing!!!!!!!!!! The puzzling thing is why not a single soul will step forward and confess to initiating or even supporting this change?

07-16-2008, 10:01 AM	#17
Bobby Brannon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bossier City,La. Posts: 659 Likes: 3 Liked 104 Times in 35 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee If you have EVER been @ Indy and ran better than a -1.00 second under and been knock out of the field because of a class winner. Then you know how it feels. A few years ago a 69 F/S camaro won class,no he did not get a class win because he could not run .5 tenths under but was placed in the field. Best I can remeber is he was maybe 1 or 2 hundred's under index. But he was in the field. I was 7th alternate @ -1.07 under. That leaves a bad taste all the way home [900miles]. Like me or hate me but but "I" love the new ruling. 4705 A/SA 4705SS/IA __________________ Bobby Brannon 4705 STK, SS Last edited by Bobby Brannon; 07-16-2008 at 03:44 PM. Reason: spelling

07-16-2008, 10:25 AM	#18
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee Maybe (but I doubt it) this would bring about some parity in the HP factors by using the qualifying numbers and IF they would have a MAJOR tear down (all of the qualifyers) and the powers in Calif. would allow the GOOD tech people such as Travis Miller and a couple of others to do thier job WITHOUT interference from them to weed out the bogus cars. Naaaaaaa, wont happen. To many "IF's" and to much work involved not to mention the $$$$ required to have a competent tech crew on hand to handle the work load. Besides... it would probably embarass to many "HEROS". Just my opinion and that dosent count anyway.

07-16-2008, 10:43 AM	#19
Bill Koski Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 213 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee If a car didn't run .50 under and because of that didn't get the class win there was a huge mistake made if he was on the ladder? Must have been a class with at least 2 cars and he won class, or before the .50 under rule! Again, why won't somebody man up and admit to participating in this change???????

07-16-2008, 12:37 PM	#20
mr305 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Monticello Posts: 160 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: .Advisory committee Cause they know they made a huge mistake thats why no one has the balls to step up and say "hey guys this was my idea!" If i woulda known about this rule oooo lets say last wed when i enter the us nats. i woulda just saved my money! NHRA PLEASE QUIT screwing this up, its worked for a long time!