.Advisory committee

Mike Pearson · 07-16-2008, 08:34 AM

This is just another change that will not make any difference in the quality of racing. It won't make the cost of racing any cheeper. It wont raise the pay out or the contingincy money. It wont help attract any sponsorship opportunities to our form of racing. I dont see where any of the recent changes have made any real difference to the competition. The spec button hasn't done anything for super stock and comp. Just cost us money to replace a perfectly good button. The stocker guys had to relocate there 2 step button to the brake pedal. What did that change. Nothing. It seems that any time you put new people in a position to change things they will make change for change sake. Thats what seems to be happening here. Unless its a rule that will make racing safer I think we should leave well enough alone. Its worked for over 40 years lets leave it alone and race.

Bill Koski · 07-16-2008, 09:52 AM

The way I see it is the racers that elect to race in a class where it takes 1.20 under, or faster, to win class got their way in this case. Next on their agenda is undoubtedly eliminating all heads up runs in eliminations.
Class racing will then be basically the same as Top Sportsman except that all cars won't have the same minimum ET. That folks, is true bracket racing!!!!!!!!!!
The puzzling thing is why not a single soul will step forward and confess to initiating or even supporting this change?

Bobby Brannon · 07-16-2008, 10:01 AM

If you have EVER been @ Indy and ran better than a -1.00 second under and been knock out of the field because of a class winner. Then you know how it feels. A few years ago a 69 F/S camaro won class,no he did not get a class win because he could not run .5 tenths under but was placed in the field. Best I can remeber is he was maybe 1 or 2 hundred's under index. But he was in the field. I was 7th alternate @ -1.07 under. That leaves a bad taste all the way home [900miles].
Like me or hate me but but "I" love the new ruling.

4705 A/SA
4705SS/IA

X-TECH MAN · 07-16-2008, 10:25 AM

Maybe (but I doubt it) this would bring about some parity in the HP factors by using the qualifying numbers and IF they would have a MAJOR tear down (all of the qualifyers) and the powers in Calif. would allow the GOOD tech people such as Travis Miller and a couple of others to do thier job WITHOUT interference from them to weed out the bogus cars. Naaaaaaa, wont happen. To many "IF's" and to much work involved not to mention the $$$$ required to have a competent tech crew on hand to handle the work load. Besides... it would probably embarass to many "HEROS". Just my opinion and that dosent count anyway.

Bill Koski · 07-16-2008, 10:43 AM

If a car didn't run .50 under and because of that didn't get the class win there was a huge mistake made if he was on the ladder?
Must have been a class with at least 2 cars and he won class, or before the .50 under rule!
Again, why won't somebody man up and admit to participating in this change???????

mr305 · 07-16-2008, 12:37 PM

Cause they know they made a huge mistake thats why no one has the balls to step up and say "hey guys this was my idea!" If i woulda known about this rule oooo lets say last wed when i enter the us nats. i woulda just saved my money! NHRA PLEASE QUIT screwing this up, its worked for a long time!

Super Sport · 07-16-2008, 01:13 PM

Anyone can look at the archives of Drag Race Central from 1998-2008 and find just how many class winners actually bump out qualifiers. This includes the before and after .5 under was put into effect.

Bobby DiDomenico · 07-16-2008, 01:49 PM

I don't know how these ideas were prepared and explained, but here is an interesting picture of reps voting.

Our local government pushed something thru that the majority of the residents did not want. When one resident raised the question of them doing what the community wanted at a board meeting, the elected official replied "you elected me to vote however I want, not what you want."

Bobby Brannon · 07-16-2008, 03:25 PM

128 248H F/S Casey Miles, Boca Raton FL, '69 Camaro 11.723 12.10 -0.377

2004 Indy

Dave Ribeiro · 07-16-2008, 03:30 PM

Is it me or is everyone missing the agenda, didn't they try before to get rid of some classes...This is another way of tighting up the field and getting rid of the slowest cars... I think racers should stop complaining and get to work on their cars.... Maybe they are trying to help out IHRA, maybe now guys will crossover , nah I don't think so..

What did everyone think that the Reps were going to check with the racers before they did anything ???? They would never get anything DONE, because racers also have their own agendas.. we can't agree on anything.... So now maybe we should stay in touch with our Reps alittle more and stop bashing them for doing their job... Were was everyone when the voting was going on ??? thank you.. Trying to hang these guys is not the way to get something done... I am sure there's alot more to this story than we are being told, so lets give them a break and see what happens... In the mean time, get to work on your cars and lets race......This has been coming for quite awhile, why is everyone so upset now.....As Jack Maytas said it may just take care of it's
self in time, just look at INDY......Next will be autos & sticks combined, get ready !!!!!!

Its Dragracing.... Dave,

07-16-2008, 08:34 AM	#1
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,453 Likes: 615 Liked 1,939 Times in 583 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee This is just another change that will not make any difference in the quality of racing. It won't make the cost of racing any cheeper. It wont raise the pay out or the contingincy money. It wont help attract any sponsorship opportunities to our form of racing. I dont see where any of the recent changes have made any real difference to the competition. The spec button hasn't done anything for super stock and comp. Just cost us money to replace a perfectly good button. The stocker guys had to relocate there 2 step button to the brake pedal. What did that change. Nothing. It seems that any time you put new people in a position to change things they will make change for change sake. Thats what seems to be happening here. Unless its a rule that will make racing safer I think we should leave well enough alone. Its worked for over 40 years lets leave it alone and race. __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

07-16-2008, 09:52 AM	#2
Bill Koski Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 213 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee The way I see it is the racers that elect to race in a class where it takes 1.20 under, or faster, to win class got their way in this case. Next on their agenda is undoubtedly eliminating all heads up runs in eliminations. Class racing will then be basically the same as Top Sportsman except that all cars won't have the same minimum ET. That folks, is true bracket racing!!!!!!!!!! The puzzling thing is why not a single soul will step forward and confess to initiating or even supporting this change?

07-16-2008, 10:01 AM	#3
Bobby Brannon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bossier City,La. Posts: 659 Likes: 3 Liked 104 Times in 35 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee If you have EVER been @ Indy and ran better than a -1.00 second under and been knock out of the field because of a class winner. Then you know how it feels. A few years ago a 69 F/S camaro won class,no he did not get a class win because he could not run .5 tenths under but was placed in the field. Best I can remeber is he was maybe 1 or 2 hundred's under index. But he was in the field. I was 7th alternate @ -1.07 under. That leaves a bad taste all the way home [900miles]. Like me or hate me but but "I" love the new ruling. 4705 A/SA 4705SS/IA __________________ Bobby Brannon 4705 STK, SS Last edited by Bobby Brannon; 07-16-2008 at 03:44 PM. Reason: spelling

07-16-2008, 10:25 AM	#4
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee Maybe (but I doubt it) this would bring about some parity in the HP factors by using the qualifying numbers and IF they would have a MAJOR tear down (all of the qualifyers) and the powers in Calif. would allow the GOOD tech people such as Travis Miller and a couple of others to do thier job WITHOUT interference from them to weed out the bogus cars. Naaaaaaa, wont happen. To many "IF's" and to much work involved not to mention the $$$$ required to have a competent tech crew on hand to handle the work load. Besides... it would probably embarass to many "HEROS". Just my opinion and that dosent count anyway.

07-16-2008, 10:43 AM	#5
Bill Koski Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 213 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee If a car didn't run .50 under and because of that didn't get the class win there was a huge mistake made if he was on the ladder? Must have been a class with at least 2 cars and he won class, or before the .50 under rule! Again, why won't somebody man up and admit to participating in this change???????

07-16-2008, 12:37 PM	#6
mr305 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Monticello Posts: 160 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: .Advisory committee Cause they know they made a huge mistake thats why no one has the balls to step up and say "hey guys this was my idea!" If i woulda known about this rule oooo lets say last wed when i enter the us nats. i woulda just saved my money! NHRA PLEASE QUIT screwing this up, its worked for a long time!

07-16-2008, 01:13 PM	#7
Super Sport Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 73 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: .Advisory committee Anyone can look at the archives of Drag Race Central from 1998-2008 and find just how many class winners actually bump out qualifiers. This includes the before and after .5 under was put into effect. Last edited by Super Sport; 07-16-2008 at 02:03 PM.

07-16-2008, 01:49 PM	#8
Bobby DiDomenico Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 924 Likes: 103 Liked 101 Times in 52 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee I don't know how these ideas were prepared and explained, but here is an interesting picture of reps voting. Our local government pushed something thru that the majority of the residents did not want. When one resident raised the question of them doing what the community wanted at a board meeting, the elected official replied "you elected me to vote however I want, not what you want."

07-16-2008, 03:25 PM	#9
Bobby Brannon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bossier City,La. Posts: 659 Likes: 3 Liked 104 Times in 35 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee 128 248H F/S Casey Miles, Boca Raton FL, '69 Camaro 11.723 12.10 -0.377 2004 Indy __________________ Bobby Brannon 4705 STK, SS

07-16-2008, 03:30 PM	#10
Dave Ribeiro VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Williamsburg, Va.---USA Posts: 1,827 Likes: 1,612 Liked 56 Times in 27 Posts	Re: .Advisory committee Is it me or is everyone missing the agenda, didn't they try before to get rid of some classes...This is another way of tighting up the field and getting rid of the slowest cars... I think racers should stop complaining and get to work on their cars.... Maybe they are trying to help out IHRA, maybe now guys will crossover , nah I don't think so.. What did everyone think that the Reps were going to check with the racers before they did anything ???? They would never get anything DONE, because racers also have their own agendas.. we can't agree on anything.... So now maybe we should stay in touch with our Reps alittle more and stop bashing them for doing their job... Were was everyone when the voting was going on ??? thank you.. Trying to hang these guys is not the way to get something done... I am sure there's alot more to this story than we are being told, so lets give them a break and see what happens... In the mean time, get to work on your cars and lets race......This has been coming for quite awhile, why is everyone so upset now.....As Jack Maytas said it may just take care of it's self in time, just look at INDY......Next will be autos & sticks combined, get ready !!!!!! Its Dragracing.... Dave, __________________ Dave Ribeiro 1033 STK